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Re: Android 10

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I wonder if my Moto Z2 Force will get this (probably not), only got Android 9 a couple of weeks ago. If it does get it, then I hope the update will fix the wonky wifi issues that I'm having that weren't present in Android 8...

What you know... The security update for July just dropped and my wifi starts working better. No mention of it in the release notes (just that it's the security update for July)...

Re: Android 10

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> Man, in my extended family SMS text group, this comes up once every couple weeks. One of us will note they aren't getting a random message, or someone will send a video and the quality will be crap, and the iPhone users will all mention how if we all had iPhones, this wouldn't be a problem. IMO a reasonable compromise is WhatsApp. Rich features like iMessage's but portable and lots of people already use it. I have…

> IMO a reasonable compromise is WhatsApp. Yeah, having thought about it when this comes up, there's a very real trade-off between what people are willing to use because they've heard of it or might actually have it, whether that app/service will stay around or keep similar features in the future, and whether it's associated with a large org that may farm the data for personal information about you in some way (even…

Err, WhatsApp does use phone numbers as identifiers rather than service profiles, which is why it is ubiquitous in most of the world (much more than iMessage).

Re: Android 10

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RCS is dead. The take up amongst operators is really low. And it's unlikely that will change anytime soon as their focus is on the 5G rollout and not on re-platforming their messaging system. Also the system is unencrypted so you would have to be crazy to use it in this environment.

Apparently it's live in the UK and France for Android as of a couple months ago[1], so maybe not entirely dead? 1: https://9to5google.com/2019/07/01/rcs-hands-on-not-quite-ime...

Live in the UK. Never received an RCS. Nor has anyone I know.

For all Google's bluster here it's not supported by the carriers, and only works on Google's own SMS app - not the AOSP or OEM ones - which only the tiniest proportion of the market uses as it's not the default on 90%+ of Android phones shipping today.

There is no UK RCS market.

Re: Android 10

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> IMO a reasonable compromise is WhatsApp. Yeah, having thought about it when this comes up, there's a very real trade-off between what people are willing to use because they've heard of it or might actually have it, whether that app/service will stay around or keep similar features in the future, and whether it's associated with a large org that may farm the data for personal information about you in some way (even…

Err, WhatsApp does use phone numbers as identifiers rather than service profiles, which is why it is ubiquitous in most of the world (much more than iMessage).

If you install WhatsApp and I don't, and you send a message to my number what happens? I know what happens with SMS and RCS (which falls back to SMS), which is that it works, because every phone has it. If WhatsApp doesn't just work, then it's at a severe disadvantage any way you look at it.

Coordinating the 10 people in my family group to not only install a new app, but choose it the next time they want to send a message (especially if they add a new person) is not to going to be easy (and in some cases might be impossible if some people refuse).

Re: Android 10

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Apparently it's live in the UK and France for Android as of a couple months ago[1], so maybe not entirely dead? 1: https://9to5google.com/2019/07/01/rcs-hands-on-not-quite-ime...

Live in the UK. Never received an RCS. Nor has anyone I know. For all Google's bluster here it's not supported by the carriers, and only works on Google's own SMS app - not the AOSP or OEM ones - which only the tiniest proportion of the market uses as it's not the default on 90%+ of Android phones shipping today. There is no UK RCS market.

RCS is a federated protocol. Any app could use it if the network providers supplied a service for it. Google is providing a Google server fallback for if they don't.

There may not be a UK RCS market, but given it was just turned on a couple months ago and for a few countries, perhaps it's too soon to call it decided?

Re: Android 10

#446

Some of the features sound amazing "sound amplifier" sounds like a hearing aid like function. If it has a low audio delay and good function set to filter noise it could be revolutionary. I was looking for something like this in app form not too long ago. I wonder how gesture navigation will work with some apps. I wonder which features will make it into aosp/lineageos. I'm missing android smartlock in limeageos. If I…

Too bad it the sound amplifier app only works with wired headphones, with Pixel 2 and above not having a headphone jack. So now that they got me to switch over to bluetooth headphones, I have to dig out the USB adapter and an older pair of wired headphones to try it out. Not sure why some apps such as this hate bluetooth, since this app would be a perfect match with bluetooth earbuds.

Good thing that I won't buy a phone without a headphone jack. I didn't even saw that piece of information. It's probably because of the delay thought, it can get very annoying if you add bluetooth delay to the processing delay. Let's see if we can find more information on that. Maybe it can even remove your own voice

Re: Android 10

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That right, you're correct. If I want to buy a new phone that's three years old, I can pay $450 for an iPhone 7. Or $600 for a 2 year old phone, or $750, for a phone released a year ago, which is more what I would consider when buying a new phone (why would I buy a new phone that's multiple years old hardware?). So, I think $750 is a fair amount to reference, and I agree that $1000 is a bit high.

Why does release date matter? Apple could re-release an old phone in a new package, as it did with SE, and qualify for your pricing comparison.

Because if I bought a new phone last year, why would I want to spend money to buy a new phone now that's worse than what I already had?

Telling someone to buy an iPhone because of this is pretentious. Telling them to buy an iPhone that may be worse performance wise than their current phone is way worse.

Re: Android 10

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Can't wait to try it out in three years when I replace my eight-month-old phone that won't be getting an update.

Well, why buy from such vendors? It's not like a lack of updates from vendors isn't a well known issue.

Pixel, OnePlus, Nokia.

Re: Android 10

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I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

Why do you throw it away after 2 years? It still gets security updates. Perfectly useable for more time.
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