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Re: Android 10

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Post by bscphil »

garysahota93 wrote: post #81
gowld wrote: post #28

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How does the pressure manifest?

I've had a few friends passive aggressively mention I am the reason our group chat is MMS vs iMessage. Or even worse: I just simply got excluded from group chats. That was the saddest one because when hanging out in person, a friend will mention a conversation from the group chat and I wouldn't know what's going on and they would just awkwardly pretend it didn't happen. Or say they'd add me to the group and never act…

To be fair, if I was in such a group I would probably be the one passive aggressive about them using a messaging suite locked into a single platform too expensive for most people to afford (instead of Signal, Whatsapp, etc), so maybe I shouldn't be so harsh on your friends.

Re: Android 10

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Post by pgcj_poster »

drusepth wrote: post #368
unicornporn wrote: post #293

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> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

>This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years? As someone who buys a new phone around every 2-3 years, two years is perfect for me. I know the developers are focusing on making the update work as well as they can on just the last two years' worth of hardware, and not "wasting time" on making it work well on lesser/older hardware. Take "wasting time" here defined as selfishly as possible. If I'm buying…

> I feel like a significantly larger portion of development time would go towards backwards compatibility instead of pushing tech forward.

In what ways do you feel that cell phones need to be pushed forward? Phones have been capable of doing everything I want and more for many years now. My biggest complaint is how quickly they become insecure.

Re: Android 10

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Post by snazz »

dkonofalski wrote: post #334
iwasakabukiman wrote: post #246

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> But alas, iMessage pressure is real in my friend's group. I've never had this from my friends. I read about this all the time and all I can think is, "Why would I be friends with people who care about that enough to peer pressure me into using an iPhone?"

Because there are some huge, genuinely great benefits to using it. No one really cares that much but, when the difference between the two experiences is as great as it currently is, it really affects the conversation. For example, we don't really pressure friends to buy iPhones but we legitimately have a separate conversation group for just iOS users from the main SMS group chat so we can send images, video, or other…

iMessage sends messages via cell data (or WiFi) too, if that’s what you meant by “dirty data app”.

Re: Android 10

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Post by snazz »

garysahota93 wrote: post #81
gowld wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the pressure manifest?

I've had a few friends passive aggressively mention I am the reason our group chat is MMS vs iMessage. Or even worse: I just simply got excluded from group chats. That was the saddest one because when hanging out in person, a friend will mention a conversation from the group chat and I wouldn't know what's going on and they would just awkwardly pretend it didn't happen. Or say they'd add me to the group and never act…

This is my friends too. I gave in to the pressure for a different reason, so it’s nice to not be excluded again. GroupMe seems to be the lowest common denominator for proper group chats (50+ people).

Re: Android 10

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Post by sciurus »

kllrnohj wrote: post #299
unicornporn wrote: post #293

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> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

> Are we supposed to be happy with two years? The environmental impact of e-waste should not be understated. Note it's 2 years of feature updates not 2 years and it turns into a brick. Everything will still work and you'll still get new apps and app updates for far longer than 2 years. Security updates go for longer, too.

I checked https://www.android.com/one/ and see monthly security updates are promised for three years.

Re: Android 10

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Post by snazz »

CountSessine wrote: post #358
placatedmayhem wrote: post #46

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It's not just green bubbles. Tapbacks are awkward and pictures and videos don't send as reliably. With my "green bubble" friends, we usually use Telegram or Signal or Keybase instead. I'd love to see a standardized IM/Text protocol instead of 1000 fragmented platforms. I've got on the order of 10 chat apps on my phone right now, all used in different contexts.

If you have kids that you communicate with, stickers and iMessage apps like bitmoji are a big deal, and Whatsapp doesn’t have them. Whatsapp really seems to be missing the boat with tweens and teens - that’s cant be good for their future.

I spend lots of time with my teenage nephew—it’s all iMessage, Snapchat, Discord, GroupMe (surprisingly, because I’m old enough to use that!), and sometimes even Instagram DMs. Granted, he lives in the US, so that might change things.

Re: Android 10

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Post by h4waii »

sschueller wrote: post #197
headmelted wrote: post #24

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Is it? I use Signal because I don't want Google reading my messages.

If you use the build in keyboard they can read your messages.

Proof, or just another wild claim? You can not only disable Internet access to GBoard, but you can completely use it without Google Play Services.

Re: Android 10

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Post by flukus »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #206

I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

> OS updates for two years and security for 3

OS updates for 2 years assuming you buy it on launch day, for the vast majority of owners it will be significantly shorter than 2 years.

Also as a Nokia 3 owner, don't count on those updates actually working, mines been getting stuck in a boot loop when updating for a year now.

Re: Android 10

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Post by sundvor »

thekid314 wrote: post #333
coryfklein wrote: post #312

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> Are we supposed to be happy with two years? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. Can you elaborate on this? Because I'm thinking of the amount of garbage I put in the bin over a period of two whole years, and the size of my phone, its packaging, chargers, cables, and manuals all together is just not even comparable. Even if you add in the environmental cos…

The lifetime of most electronics is much longer than 2 years. The only thing I need to replace regularly is headphones.

My Hifi system is 22 years old now, and going strong. Rotel and Infinity built some seriously good stuff back then.

I'm afraid of how much it'll cost me to replace it when it eventually breaks, if I can't fix it. Have already refurbished the speaker surrounds once, about 10 years go.

Guy at Speakerbits (Melbourne AUS) said the speakers would be worth more than when I bought them, as the mid range quality market just didn't exist anymore - either cheap throw away after a few years crap, or you'd have to go really high end.

I thought I'd check, and it seems like Speakerbits have now closed down. That's such a shame, they did a most excellent job. I guess that's a reflection of the times, people aren't willing to repair anymore. :(

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