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OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by thrwayxyz »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #216
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Stallman is very off-putting to many with how unabashed and unashamed he is about some of his more extreme progressive views. Unfortunately for him, that excludes almost half of the potential support he would receive.

I'm a right-wing libertarian, and I've never felt excluded or anything like that because of his leftist views. This for many reasons: 1) He's not a hypocrite in any way. He's honest and you can tell that he has truly thought about his opinions. 2) In my country, I get bombarded with a ralentless stream of leftist ideology. The worst kind of leftism: the lazy 'slogan' leftism, from people too stupid to realize the ful…

To go to the nuclear option Stallman is pro voluntary pedophilia. This puts him so outside the mainstream of opinion that he might as well be shoving Jews into ovens himself.

The honesty is extremely refreshing for a small subset of people who will be fanatically loyal to him. These people will also be some of the most talented and difficult to work with, much like Stallman himself. In my circle of friends technical competency is directly proportional to your agreement with Stallman.

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by cat199 »

WatchDog wrote: post #217
cat199 wrote: post #157

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I would posit that: impact = charisma * funding so .1 charisma score of some faceless tech exec * 1B in VC funding goes alot more than 2.0 charisma score * 50k of grasroots funding..

But funding is also a function of charisma, among other variables.

I would posit that:

    funding = charisma * suitability for capitalism
so .1 charisma score of some faceless tech exec * 1B in VC funding goes alot more than 2.0 charisma score * 50k of socially oriented funding..

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by stuartd »

thrwayxyz wrote: post #221
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a right-wing libertarian, and I've never felt excluded or anything like that because of his leftist views. This for many reasons: 1) He's not a hypocrite in any way. He's honest and you can tell that he has truly thought about his opinions. 2) In my country, I get bombarded with a ralentless stream of leftist ideology. The worst kind of leftism: the lazy 'slogan' leftism, from people too stupid to realize the ful…

To go to the nuclear option Stallman is pro voluntary pedophilia. This puts him so outside the mainstream of opinion that he might as well be shoving Jews into ovens himself. The honesty is extremely refreshing for a small subset of people who will be fanatically loyal to him. These people will also be some of the most talented and difficult to work with, much like Stallman himself. In my circle of friends technical…

> he might as well be shoving Jews into ovens himself.

In what way is this not utterly, appallingly offensive? For shame.

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by thrwayxyz »

stuartd wrote: post #223
thrwayxyz wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To go to the nuclear option Stallman is pro voluntary pedophilia. This puts him so outside the mainstream of opinion that he might as well be shoving Jews into ovens himself. The honesty is extremely refreshing for a small subset of people who will be fanatically loyal to him. These people will also be some of the most talented and difficult to work with, much like Stallman himself. In my circle of friends technical…

> he might as well be shoving Jews into ovens himself. In what way is this not utterly, appallingly offensive? For shame.

It was meant to be.

Now try and think it trough instead of having knee jerk outrage as your reaction.

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #220
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a right-wing libertarian, and I've never felt excluded or anything like that because of his leftist views. This for many reasons: 1) He's not a hypocrite in any way. He's honest and you can tell that he has truly thought about his opinions. 2) In my country, I get bombarded with a ralentless stream of leftist ideology. The worst kind of leftism: the lazy 'slogan' leftism, from people too stupid to realize the ful…

I don’t care about his views on those kind of politics at all. But when it comes to free software he is an ideological maximalist. Take a look at how he uses computers personally, his values (at least currently) don’t fit in with most users expectations of what personal computing should be. His contributions aren’t in question, and his voice is a valuable one to have in the choir, but he’s not a person willing to acc…

From my perspective, The RMS Way and Libertarianism have this in common:

They aren't meant to be widely adopted, but mean, rather, as a critique of the status quo.

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by dwheeler »

stock_toaster wrote: post #184
smhenderson wrote: post #156

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Some claim that the AT&T lawsuit hurt the BSDs, but there was lawsuit-rattling for Linux and GNU as well Do you mean the SCO lawsuit against IBM? Because I would argue that 1) that happened long enough after Linux had established itself that people were too invested to be immediately scared off and 2) people put a lot of faith in IBM and there legal team to defend Linux. I think the community around Linux was able to…

> Do you mean the SCO lawsuit against IBM? No, pretty sure the parent meant the the USL vs BSDi one. Though I disagree with the parent, and believe it _was_ impactful on BSD adoption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc.... .

I meant the USL vs. BSDi case. That case was, of course, focused on the BSDs. While GNU and Linux were independently implemented, I recall there being some claims at the time that the USL vs. BSDi case also implicated GNU and Linux.

The SCO vs. Linux/IBM/the universe travesty that attacked Linux came a little later; that started in 2003 and seems to never really end. There were also legal accusations around that time (circa 2004) about Linux raised by Kenneth Brown (from the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution). Both were focused on Linux and not on BSD, and both failed to slow down Linux.

Reasonable people can definitely disagree on whether or not the USL vs. BSDi legal case seriously impacted BSD adoption as compared to Linux. I don't think it was a key factor in the long run. The USL vs. BSDi case was raised in 1992, and resolved in 1994, so the legal issues didn't stick around very long. In addition, the BSDs had a head start and plenty of time to recover after the legal issues were resolved... if legal issues were the only problem. But again, reasonable people can disagree. We'll need two universes, where it did and did not occur, to really answer the question :-).

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by dwheeler »

celticmusic wrote: post #152
chongli wrote: post #129

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GNU + Linux were far more decentralized (bazaar) That's the first time I've ever heard GNU associated with the bazaar. The original thesis of the book (CatB) is the observation that GNU is a cathedral (with saint rms at its head) and Linux (the kernel) is a bazaar.

I think the point is that it's all relative.

Yes, that's what I meant. It's true that many GNU projects were (and are) cathedrals, but their cathedrals were more like a bazaar compared to the BSDs. GNU projects tend to be run mostly-independently, but the BSDs were (and are) maintained as entire monoliths... kind of the ultimate cathedral approach. And while cathedrals are beautiful, they take hundreds of years to build, and that's a problem in the software development world.

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by gen3 »

hinkley wrote: post #153
Syzygies wrote: post #119

I disable hyperthreading for better performance. In my experience as a mathematician building parallel compute servers, hyperthreading generates more heat than it is worth. I can overclock further without hyperthreading, to more than overtake the faint advantage that hyperthreading offers at a given clock speed. So I now buy binned, delidded processors from Silicon Lottery, choosing the best reasonably priced speed o…

The number of generations of processors where this has been true is really astounding to me. It really makes me wonder why they persist with this line of effort instead of doing something else, like cores that share logic units only.

Use cases are different. I would imagine the poster above is able to saturate all the cores, but in the case of the regular user, the cores spend most of their time waiting for data.

Re: OpenBSD was right to disable hyperthreading [video]

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Post by yborg »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #206
dleslie wrote: post #9

History will show that Theo was right in a manner similar to how Stalman was right: technically correct analysis and eerily accurate predictions, but lacking in sufficient charisma to create more than a small following. To some extent, you might say they are like Cassandra; speaking the truth but not believed or listened to.

lol, I enjoyed it, but you might consider citing any greek mythology when its obscure and easily confused with a database.

The story of Cassandra is one of the most well-known of the Greek myths and the allusion a standard rhetorical device in at least the English language. The fact that anyone would have confused the reference with a database in this context makes me sad for the state of 21st century humanities education.
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