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Re: Android 10

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Post by cookie_monsta »

derefr wrote: post #256
ceejayoz wrote: post #204

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I've got ten year olds who love texting their relatives, and I'm not willing to send my kids into the Facebook meatgrinder yet.

You can be signed up for Messenger without being signed up for Facebook, I think. (Or, at least, you can deactivate a Facebook account and still use Messenger.)

Does deactivating Facebook mean anything on the user side? I remember trying to delete my FB account (Which in their parlance is a different thing) some years ago and it was an oblique nightmare

Re: Android 10

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Post by viraptor »

dkonofalski wrote: post #356
viraptor wrote: post #350

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WhatsApp, signal, matrix has e2e. It's not an exhaustive list either - there are tons of solutions to choose from. What are the other key features?

WhatsApp, though, is still owned by Facebook and, therefore, has all kinds of privacy concerns. Last I heard, the encryption wasn't e2e and used a key that was generated by the app. If that's the case, then Facebook has a copy of that key.

The key has to be generated either in the app or on some server. There are no other choices really, unless you use only ephemeral keys - and that gives you secrecy but doesn't validate the other side. (And you can still copy that key) WhatsApp is e2e on all devices since 2016 and uses open whisper, which is the same encryption as signal.

Regarding the key - you have to trust the app it doesn't share it with the app authors. That's regardless of who/how implements the encryption. And it's true for iMessage as well.

Re: Android 10

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Post by bdefore »

ac29 wrote: post #289
frittig wrote: post #76

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I wonder if any of the Google apps will support a dark mode. Maps / Gmail are harder to use with all of the white

Neither Maps or Gmail is using Dark Mode for me on the Pixel I updated this morning. Hopefully it'll be added in an update.

Nor Hangouts or Play Store. Photos, Phone, Fit, Settings and notifications do. Happy to see movement and hopefully the stragglers get on board soon.

Re: Android 10

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Post by garysahota93 »

viraptor wrote: post #353
garysahota93 wrote: post #336

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I agree! Trust me, I was resentful for buying an iPhone too. They are my friend because we can't really move the conversation to any other platform. Some of my friends took #DeleteFacebook very seriously and deleted Insta/WhatsApp/FB while others refuse to download Line/WeChat/Telegram or any others because I'd be the only one they'd use that with. The network effect is bad and the only "standardized" communication p…

> because I'd be the only one they'd use that with I started using hangouts, WhatsApp, signal, FB, and just yesterday line for a single person. This is really not a good excuse. People should be more important than tech.

Agreed. Unfortunately, many millennials don't see it that way. There's so many stories about the Green Bubble effect and how lazy people are to switch to anything else. It's sad.

Re: Android 10

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Post by _-david-_ »

threeseed wrote: post #234
kbenson wrote: post #44

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> But alas, iMessage pressure is real in my friend's group. Man, in my extended family SMS text group, this comes up once every couple weeks. One of us will note they aren't getting a random message, or someone will send a video and the quality will be crap, and the iPhone users will all mention how if we all had iPhones, this wouldn't be a problem. Cue a few of is getting kind of triggered because it's only Apple's…

RCS is dead. The take up amongst operators is really low. And it's unlikely that will change anytime soon as their focus is on the 5G rollout and not on re-platforming their messaging system. Also the system is unencrypted so you would have to be crazy to use it in this environment.

>Also the system is unencrypted so you would have to be crazy to use it in this environment.

SMS is also unencrypted so I don't see how it would be any different.

Re: Android 10

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Post by boznz »

cwyers wrote: post #313
jcknight wrote: post #270

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I bought a Nokia 3.1 as a lower end test device, which also belongs to the Android One program. The device is so slow to respond to input in every way that it's become the device I use to test our apps absolute worst case performance on. Even knowing it was meant to be a lower end device it routinely gets frustrating to use for even the most simple tasks, such as Chrome tab switching, keyboard response and even just…

I bought a few cheap (under $100) Nokia Lumias back when Nokia was Windows Phone's last, best hope, and it always annoyed me how a cheap Lumia with Windows Phone was in so many ways nicer to use than a mid-range Android phone -- much more responsive to input, less lag, etc.

Mostly Agree. But Microsoft fucked up both the desktop and mobile trying to make 1 operating system fit all.

Re: Android 10

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Post by dgacmu »

bscphil wrote: post #338
penagwin wrote: post #316

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It's because of how updates work. A good overview is here [0] Basically for an android phone to get an update, Google, the Carrier, the Manufacturer, etc. all have to update the OS for that specific model, of which there are hundreds/thousands of models of phones. Apple doesn't let the carriers configure the OS, and is also the manufacturer. They also have only like a dozen models. So they basically get to skip all o…

That's just an excuse. The Nexus 5X got updates directly from Google, but it was discontinued a year after it was released. ~1 year after the last 5X was sold, it received the last feature update (Android 8.1). ~2 years after the last 5X was sold, it received the last security update.

Google doesn't make the CPU or hardware components that need firmware updates. Apple has far more control.

Re: Android 10

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Post by drusepth »

unicornporn wrote: post #293
alistproducer2 wrote: post #206

I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

>This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years?

As someone who buys a new phone around every 2-3 years, two years is perfect for me. I know the developers are focusing on making the update work as well as they can on just the last two years' worth of hardware, and not "wasting time" on making it work well on lesser/older hardware.

Take "wasting time" here defined as selfishly as possible. If I'm buying a new phone every 2 years, any amount of development time that goes into making sure that update works on 3+-year-old phones is wasted on me, and explicitly means less development time was spent on features that are actually relevant to me.

Honestly, I'd be just as happy if updates were guaranteed for just 1 year (though I'd probably just sit for a year without updates between upgrades), and I'd definitely be less happy if they were guaranteed for 5 years because I feel like a significantly larger portion of development time would go towards backwards compatibility instead of pushing tech forward.

Re: Android 10

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Post by driverdan »

thekid314 wrote: post #333
coryfklein wrote: post #312

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> Are we supposed to be happy with two years? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. Can you elaborate on this? Because I'm thinking of the amount of garbage I put in the bin over a period of two whole years, and the size of my phone, its packaging, chargers, cables, and manuals all together is just not even comparable. Even if you add in the environmental cos…

The lifetime of most electronics is much longer than 2 years. The only thing I need to replace regularly is headphones.

Headphones should last a lifetime. Stop buying garbage and treat them well.

Re: Android 10

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Post by coryfklein »

shkkmo wrote: post #359
coryfklein wrote: post #320

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Security is and always has been a sliding scale, despite always referred colloquially as being either present or absent. "Keeping your password secure" in English really means, "improving the security of your password".

Except this feature doesn't add security, it just adds a tool for reducing the usability trade-off of having a long hard password. I think it is very misleading phrasing.

If the feature makes folks more likely to use a 64 character random password for your Wi-Fi then I'd say it certainly does add security.

Presumably folks will be "sharing" the plaintext value of their Wi-Fi password with friends regardless of whether they use this feature or not, so it appears to neither increase nor decrease THAT aspect of Wi-Fi password security.

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