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Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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For what it may be worth to anyone, as someone who prefers an "ergonomic" split keyboard with a softer touch (so my hands and wrists don't get stiff; I also use a brace on the right hand just when typing), I have used several keyboards, and strongly disliking the Microsoft one (my hands hurt worse: some keys I use heavily like Alt and/or Space felt stiff), I tried a probably inexpensive one I really liked (but left t…

The Microsoft ergonomic keyboards have been on a long, slow decline since they first came out in the mid-'90s. The original Natural/Natural Elite/Natural Pro keyboards were fantastic, real tanks. Those eventually devolved into the Natural 4000/7000, which had the same good layout as the originals but soft, mushy keyswitches that would fail if you looked at them funny. And those eventually devolved into the modern Scu…

The problem with the MS Natural is that the shape of the keyboard, as compared to standard, goes away from your fingers the farther you are away from your middle finger. Kinesis Advantage does it the opposite, meaning that your fingers have to travel less to reach all the keys.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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I tried the Kinesis Advantage. There’s a lot to like there, and I really wanted to like it, but the layout got to me. Specifically, keys used in programming like curly braces, etc. didn’t fit my preexisting muscle memory from being a longtime touch typist. I really wanted something I could plug in and just go with, without relearning how to type.

Give it a week or two, I faced the same uphill battle as you but eventually, the layout of the Advantage will payoff.

For me with the Advantage, it was a week before I was mostly back to productive and one month before it completely faded into the background. Love it though. No more pain.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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I just can't imagine how this person can say that this particular keyboard is their favorite. I get not liking the click of mechanical switches. I mean, I like the click, but I understand it is well in the realm of personal preference. But the Amazon Basics keyboard is legitimately trash. It doesn't adhere to keyboard HID profiles, so there are systems on which it just doesn't work (like the Raspberry Pi). I have ver…

Sharp edges in what way?

I've never been stabbed by it and the corners are all rounded. The long edge running across the bottom under the spacebar is the only thing that could maybe be described as sharp but it's nothing like the edge of a piece of wood or anything sharp. I wouldn't have even noticed it after years of usage without you mentioning it. I've also never once hit it with my hands.

I also used the device on Debian without issues. It just worked out of the box. No idea about a Raspberry Pi but Google mentions others are using it without problems.

Maybe you had an older model of this keyboard?

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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> The operative phrase in the original comment was “without mentioning”. As a reader you wouldn't be weirded out if the first section of the article was to justify why an affiliate link was used? That would annoy me as a reader a lot more than having an affiliate link used without mention. I mean, I'm not sitting there trying to trick people into clicking links. The blog post is just an honest look / opinion on the k…

What weirds me out more is seeing the phrase "Amazon Basics keyboard ". You've established the article is just about the Amazon Basics keyboard; just refer to it as the keyboard for the rest of the story. Way too clickbaity/SEO method of writing it.

> You've established the article is just about the Amazon Basics keyboard; just refer to it as the keyboard for the rest of the story. > Way too clickbaity/SEO method of writing it.

I did that because I talk about other keyboards through out the article and when people skim it gets hard to track what "their" or "the" really means (especially if they are clicking links).

If you do a search for "the keyboard" you'll see I use that phrase 9 times and "their keyboard" twice. When combined together that's more often than I use "Amazon Basics keyboard", so I'm not just spamming phrases for SEO. If anything doing that will de-value your page rank for keyword stuffing.

I mentioned the keyboard by name the least amount of times to keep the article skimmable and making it clear that when you click a link, it's leading to that keyboard. In other words, it's a UI feature not a bug!

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Yeah, no offense to the author, but this article read like one written by someone who really doesn't know much about keyboards. There is a whole slew of different silent, non-clicky, tactile and linear switches to choose from, as well as sound dampening o-rings.

I can't really blame him though, if you assume Amazon is the standard marketplace for everything all you'll find is Cherry blue and red switches, and Razer/Logitech's versions of those. It wasn't until I attended a mechanical keyboard conference that I found out about Zealios, by far my favorite switch but near-impossible to find in pre-built boards. Even Clears, which are really great and my favorite Cherry switch,…

Exactly.

And now 6+ hours and hundreds of comments later I went through the comments and I still haven't seen anyone post a single mechanical keyboard that matches my requirements at any price point. It's just dozens of posts about needing to be a keyboard surgeon and assembling a selection of carefully picked pieces without any end to end guides.

For the most part I just want to plug it in, have it feel good and write code.

Your $150 recommendation from below almost fits the bill but it looks like a super condensed keyboard with a non-standard layout that's missing a bunch of extra keys, and I can't find any concrete proof of what it sounds like on video. It also has a lower average star review than the Amazon Basics keyboard (but I wouldn't put much weight into that).

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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>You see, human hands will become injured over a prolonged period of contortion into the shape needed to operate standard keyboards. There is no significant contortion needed to operate a standard keyboard. Sadly, the standard keyboard does encourage a regrettable bending of the wrist, but I have found it straightforward to learn not to yield to that encouragement. (Boards such as the Amazon Basics or Apple's keyboar…

The cost of the ErgoDox is why I bought a kit instead. It's more effort to solder the switches, flash the board etc., but I saved a chunk of the price. It can also be repaired more easily, although contrary to your experience I don't have the impression that would be required for a long time. It's not like such a keyboard is life-changing, but it's a significant improvement in comfort. For a tool that I use every sin…

>For a tool that I use every single day that was worth it for me

Well, sure if it were guaranteed to prevent or cure RSI then either spending hundreds of dollars or getting out the soldering gun would clearly be worth it.

But I suspect you didn't get my point, which is that I spent the $270 in 1997 dollars for a Kinesis Advantage (and later on a different mechanical board) and it did not work for me. Or more precisely it did work for a month or 2 -- not because the Kinesis was more innately ergonomic than any other board, but rather because I wasn't used to it. Once I got used to it, it stopped working.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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>You see, human hands will become injured over a prolonged period of contortion into the shape needed to operate standard keyboards. There is no significant contortion needed to operate a standard keyboard. Sadly, the standard keyboard does encourage a regrettable bending of the wrist, but I have found it straightforward to learn not to yield to that encouragement. (Boards such as the Amazon Basics or Apple's keyboar…

> The Amazon Basics is $13 incl shipping ($10 each if you buy ten) whereas the cheapest configuration (no tilt kit, no wing rests) of your board is $270. Or you could get a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 for $35.

I am not willing to spend the money to give it an extended try because it probably would prove worse for me that the Amazon Basics because the PC board or boards the keys are mounted on are curved.

With any curved board, I worry that I will have to pay too much attention to achieve the condition (3) in my previous comment (without my constantly looking at the board, which of course is important to avoid). That was my big problem with the Kinesis Advantage.

For convenience I will now repeat condition (3) from my previous comment: at the moment of contact, the finger tip is moving roughly in the same direction that the key will travel. Keys mounted on a curved PC board will all travel in different directions. My worry is that for me to maintain my condition (3) during my use of such a board will require me to pay an excessive amount of attention to keeping memorized to a sufficient degree of precision the direction of travel of every key. (If I'm not constantly looking at my keyboard, then the only way for me to maintain my condition (3) is to have the travel direction of every key memorized.) When all the keys travel in the same direction, as is the case with any standard keyboard, I only need to keep memorized that single direction.

Also there is a condition (4) not mentioned in my previous post: namely, to strike the key cap roughly at the key's center line, which is made easier when as is the case in a standard keyboard, but is not the case with any of Microsoft's post-2005 ergonomic keyboards, each center line of a key with a letter or number on it is exactly .75 inches from the center line of its neighbors left and right provided the neighbor also has a letter or number on it.

Microsoft's pre-2005 ergonomic keyboards were OK, i.e., not curved. (The direction of travel of the keys on the left half of the board was significantly different from the direction of travel of the keys on the right half, which meant I needed to keep memorized 2 different directions of travel, which was easy enough -- and of course vastly easier than memorizing the 80 or so different directions of travel of any post-2005 Microsoft ergonomic keyboard I am aware of.) I bought 1 or 2 when they were still being produced. My big problem with them was their lack of sufficient "key stability": that is, like most cheap keyboards of the time, the key cap would rotate a lot when struck off the center line or when the direction the tip of the finger is moving on contact with the key cap is not parallel to the key's direction of travel. Among the really cheap keyboards I have used, the Amazon Basics has by far the most key stability. (Its short key travel helps it there. Also, I suspect, but was unable to use a search engine to confirm, it uses a scissor mechanism, which also helps.)

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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One of the great things about a mechanical keyboard is the repairability. When I spilled a drink on my keyboard and a few keys got sticky, I just ordered a few switches online and replaced them with some basic soldering. You probably won't be able to find any replacement parts for most keyboards. Also, while it's not best keyboard, it's fairly easy to find replacement key caps for Apple keyboards as well.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Do those affiliate links make enough to make it worthwhile?

I wrote a 2,300 word blog post about affiliate links earlier today that I will be posting next week (and probably linking to that in that little snippet of text). It goes into the details. The TL;DR is no it's not worthwhile if you're factoring in time spent vs money earned. I put close to 5 years and 5,000 hours of my time into creating my site and supporting anyone who asks questions for free with zero expectations…

If not profitable, it's at least tasteful. Even without the disclaimer (though I think it's best to disclose it), it's so much cleaner than the junk most sites have. If the review is honest, the affiliation is disclosed, and the link is presented in an unobtrusive way, I have no issue with the practice. I'd even like to see it done more.

I actually used the link. I got a KVM today with a Scroll Lock hot key and, after 4 years, I'm just now realizing my basic Dell keyboard doesn't have that key :/ It came with a remote, but the place I want to keep it puts the IR receiver out of site. I'm currently using my old (Windows Vista era) Dell keyboard, but it's clanky AF. The Amazon Basics keyboard looks pretty close to what I'm used to.

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