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Re: Android 10

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Post by kbenson »

threeseed wrote: post #307
kbenson wrote: post #255

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Apparently it's live in the UK and France for Android as of a couple months ago[1], so maybe not entirely dead? 1: https://9to5google.com/2019/07/01/rcs-hands-on-not-quite-ime...

Only one operator in UK (Vodafone) so far. There are about 800+ mobile phone operators around the world and based on reports about 50 or so have signed up. Not a great percentage after 10+ years. And I think the lack of encryption is going to kill adoption in many parts of the world.

"But now Google is taking over: later this month, Android users in the UK and France will be able to opt in to RCS Chat services provided directly by Google instead of waiting for their carrier to support it."[1]

Sounds like we might get some movement on this soon, as Google is offering their own servers as a fall-back in the case that the network provider hasn't provided their own.

1: https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18681573/google-rcs-chat-...

Re: Android 10

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Post by propogandist »

sschueller wrote: post #197
headmelted wrote: post #24

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Is it? I use Signal because I don't want Google reading my messages.

If you use the build in keyboard they can read your messages.

Yep. Just like spellcheck in Chrome that will communicate contents to Google servers, unless you opt out.

Re: Android 10

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Post by viraptor »

garysahota93 wrote: post #336
viraptor wrote: post #323

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If you've got friends who have time to complain about it, but not the time to move conversation to WhatsApp/FB/line/telegram/WeChat/...anything and prefer to exclude you, are they really friends? This honestly makes me angry when people say they're pressured into buying a high cost device.

I agree! Trust me, I was resentful for buying an iPhone too. They are my friend because we can't really move the conversation to any other platform. Some of my friends took #DeleteFacebook very seriously and deleted Insta/WhatsApp/FB while others refuse to download Line/WeChat/Telegram or any others because I'd be the only one they'd use that with. The network effect is bad and the only "standardized" communication p…

> because I'd be the only one they'd use that with

I started using hangouts, WhatsApp, signal, FB, and just yesterday line for a single person. This is really not a good excuse. People should be more important than tech.

Re: Android 10

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Post by nxc18 »

The_rationalist wrote: post #301
nxc18 wrote: post #260

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I know, if anything that makes it more embarrassing for Android - Google controls that whole system and they're still not beating WKWebview on their flagship device. Going between Android and iOS, that's one of the hardest aspects that I think gets overlooked - the browser is just slower and its noticeable. I pointed out the flagship device in this case, but its no better on the lower end devices.

Show evidence? Webkit having 200K commits vs 850K commits of chromium I find your claim ridiculous.

I don’t know what commit count has to do with it, that’s a weird dick measuring contest to choose to participate in.

You can see in this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=83dDLf3Zhx4

It’s interesting to note the different behavior; Android/chrome is putting something on the screen first, while safari tends to finish rendering and show the completed result before chrome. Tends to vary a bit by site.

App startup is a bit slower on iPhone but note that the preferred way on iOS is to keep apps open and not manually close them. Manually closing apps isn’t really required on iOS except to declutter the task switcher. Supposedly faster startup times coming in iOS 13.

Re: Android 10

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Post by bdefore »

cowmix wrote: post #4

When does ChromeOS get Android 10? I'm sick of being at 7.X.

Google stated they'd scuttled updating to 8 in lieu of going straight to 9. That didn't happen and now we're at 10. I'm a little concerned the train won't ever arrive at the station.

7.1.1 in Settings > Google Play Store > Manage Android Preferences > About

Re: Android 10

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Post by dkonofalski »

viraptor wrote: post #350
dkonofalski wrote: post #345

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>not the time to move conversation to WhatsApp/FB/line/telegram/WeChat/ None of these are an alternative to iMessage. They all either are missing key features or require you to deal with unencrypted communications or relayed encryption.

WhatsApp, signal, matrix has e2e. It's not an exhaustive list either - there are tons of solutions to choose from. What are the other key features?

WhatsApp, though, is still owned by Facebook and, therefore, has all kinds of privacy concerns. Last I heard, the encryption wasn't e2e and used a key that was generated by the app. If that's the case, then Facebook has a copy of that key.

Re: Android 10

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Post by StreamBright »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #206

I recently bought a Nokia 2.2, which in in the Android One program. Two main reasons: a removable battery and OS updates for two years and security for 3. At this point, there's very little difference between the hardware of flagships and commodity, especially considering the real-world use of smartphones. I mean, is anyone compiling programs on these things or doing anything particularly intensive? Not really. So gi…

Do I need to reconfigure the entire OS + all applications after every OS upgrade back how it was prior? One of the main reasons I switched to iOS.

Re: Android 10

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Post by CountSessine »

placatedmayhem wrote: post #46
bsamuels wrote: post #29

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as dumb as it sounds, nobody likes to be a green bubble

It's not just green bubbles. Tapbacks are awkward and pictures and videos don't send as reliably. With my "green bubble" friends, we usually use Telegram or Signal or Keybase instead. I'd love to see a standardized IM/Text protocol instead of 1000 fragmented platforms. I've got on the order of 10 chat apps on my phone right now, all used in different contexts.

If you have kids that you communicate with, stickers and iMessage apps like bitmoji are a big deal, and Whatsapp doesn’t have them.

Whatsapp really seems to be missing the boat with tweens and teens - that’s cant be good for their future.

Re: Android 10

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Post by shkkmo »

coryfklein wrote: post #320
est31 wrote: post #238

> Now, you can share your Wi-Fi details with guests via a QR code while keeping your password secure. This is terribly misleading. The format used does contain the password so your password is still being shared: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code#WiFi_network_login * https://github.com/zxing/zxing/wiki/Barcode-Contents#wi-fi-n... I'm saying misleading because there is an interpretation of that sentence that is…

Security is and always has been a sliding scale, despite always referred colloquially as being either present or absent. "Keeping your password secure" in English really means, "improving the security of your password".

Except this feature doesn't add security, it just adds a tool for reducing the usability trade-off of having a long hard password.

I think it is very misleading phrasing.

Re: Android 10

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Post by megaremote »

kllrnohj wrote: post #314
neilalexander wrote: post #305

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Given that Apple are still managing to roll out operating system updates to iPhones that are 5 years old, a potent question is why Google and Android device manufacturers are either unable or unwilling to attempt to do the same. Planned obsolescence isn't just an attack on your customers, it's also environmentally irresponsible.

Apple does also cut features when they roll out those updates though. Not all iOS versions are equal. It is a shame Android's update story is bad, but realistically it also doesn't matter much. Non-enthusiasts tend to not even want major updates in the first place (it's a chore - especially if anything changed on them). It sucks for app developers a lot more than it matters to the majority consumer.

> Apple does also cut features when they roll out those updates though. Not all iOS versions are equal.

Only when the hardware does not support the features.

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