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Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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One of the major advantages of this keyboard, like several other cheap options such as the Microsoft or Logitech $15 offerings is the adherence to the IBM 105-key layout and standard key sizes.

If you, like me at times, bounce around between various machines with mini keyboards, trackpad keyboards, laptops with various function keys, arrow key layouts, integrated/adjacent numpad and nav key clusters, etc: it can be a relief to find something where your fingers just know where to go. I request the Microsoft Wired Desktop 600 in all the mini server/dedicated function computers we build for this reason.

My personal machines have a mechanical Rosewill keyboard. I like and quickly readjust to my old ThinkPad's 7-row layout for laptops, but don't always have that available.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, I have MX Clears and they're not bad at all. That said, they are still louder than standard (rubber dome) keyboards, even with o-ring dampeners installed. But, I switched to a noise reduction headset and my screen sharing partners say my keyboard noise is now equivalent to people with rubber dome keyboards (you can barely hear it). I have a keyboard on order with "silent red" mechanical switches. From what I…

You can also get a better microphone. I use a Logitech G Pro keyboard, which sounds (to my ears) roughly the same as MX Browns, but I use a supercardioid dynamic microphone (the sE L7, which for my money is the best dynamic microphone you can buy until you get up into the ElectroVoice RE320 territory) on an arm. It's got a tight enough polar pattern that I don't even need headphones because my desk speakers don't fee…

I do have a few studio microphones and a high end (apogee ensemble) audio interface. But, that setup is even less convenient than wearing a headset. I appreciate the suggestion though... if I am going to record or broadcast any keyboard sessions that require some polish then I'll definitely isolate my voice with a pickup pattern.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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I'd love to find a quiet keyboard that requires a lot of pressure and has tactile feedback. The only two keyboards I can comfortably use are the old IBM Buckling spring(or unicomp), or a keyboard with blue switches. Typing on say, red or black switches felt unnatural and gross to me. That said, both are quite loud. If anyone has any recommendations(reasonably priced, of course), feel free to shoot it my way.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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I urge everyone to get an ergonomic keyboard. Your hands will thank you as you get older.

How much older is older? I'm 46 years old, been programming a computer since I was 10 (TRS-80 Color Computer 2 - with the "melted" keyboard - not exactly ergo), and I currently use a classic Model M (not a Unicomp - a real one made by Lexmark, that inexplicably has the flow-thru option on it for some reason - bit of a unicorn from what I gather). I've used keyboards in my career of all types, including ones on a VT-1…

My dad smoked cigarettes for 50 years and never got cancer. Guess that is healthy as well.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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One of the major advantages of this keyboard, like several other cheap options such as the Microsoft or Logitech $15 offerings is the adherence to the IBM 105-key layout and standard key sizes. If you, like me at times, bounce around between various machines with mini keyboards, trackpad keyboards, laptops with various function keys, arrow key layouts, integrated/adjacent numpad and nav key clusters, etc: it can be a…

> I like and quickly readjust to my old ThinkPad's 7-row layout for laptops, but don't always have that available.

This is a hill I would die on: wth did Lenovo ruin the greatest laptop keyboard is beyond me.

The lack of the 7th row mades many of my go-to shortcuts unwieldy (Winkey + Pause/Break) or impossible; e.g., ALT+codes for non-Latin characters.

I shouldn't have to open charmap.exe to get a stinkin' em dash.

/rant

My workstation keyboard is a Ducky One with MX Browns and doubled bumper rings ... but I already have leds dying after two years . fwiw, I'm interested in a Topre or Topre style key action for my next primary keyboard, whenever that happens. /aamof, I'm going now to comb the comments for any specific mention of those.../

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Author here. A lot of people commented here saying it's questionable not to mention I happened to use an affiliate link. I want to thank those people for bringing that up. My intent wasn't to deceive anyone and I hope my HN comment history (98% of what I post here are comments on other people's stuff) separate me from yet another affiliate blog spammer. I just pushed an update to my site that now includes a little sn…

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Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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I'm all for being frugal, but from my few interactions with Nick's blog, he appears to like to nickel and dime almost everything (building his own standup desk[0], cheap linux laptop[1]), so the Amazon Basics keyboard (and him loving it) is no surprise. IIRC he also has a course where he teaches you to build a SaaS app with flask, but you don't build it from scratch - he starts with a fully built app and walks you th…

> I'm all for being frugal, but from my few interactions with Nick's blog, he appears to like to nickel and dime almost everything

I don't think those are fair comparisons but if you did buy my course, thanks for the support (it really helps).

Now for the fun stuff, let's break down those posts you linked!

I built the standing desk because it fits my exact use case for what I want in a standing desk and I have the ability to build it, so I built it. Price wasn't even a factor, it just so happens you can build something cool for $50 so I did it.

I wanted a 3 tier desk:

A top tier for my 2 monitors

A middle tier for my keyboard and mouse to fit exactly at the height where my posture is perfect

And finally a bottom tier for my regular desk with enough room where I can use a laptop and do other "desk things" without the standing portion getting in the way. I also happened to have this regular desk beforehand and think it's a great size for my office. I had no reason to switch it.

Very shortly after building it, I built a 4th tier where I now have a stylus / drawing pad hovering over my keyboard on a ledge and it doesn't get in the way so I can draw live slides in my courses. You can see a picture in another blog post you missed where I built an 8x4 whiteboard for $15[0] (:D). Oh and my mic's boom arm latches on from the side now where it doesn't get in my way at all and minimizes keyboard rumble.

There's no standing desk at any price point that accomplishes all of the above in a way that works for me. To me what I built is the perfect desk because it addresses everything I need it to address. The fact it was only $50 (well $60 now due to adding that 4th tier) is just a nice side effect.

[0]: https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/build-your-own-8x4-foot-white...

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As for the Toshiba Chromebook. After dozens of hours of research and a few recommendations I picked it up because it's an amazing piece of hardware. A 1080p display, IPS panel, good keyboard, good trackpad, upgradeable SSD, weighs less than 3 pounds, SD card, USB ports, 3.5" jack (!), decent battery life and it runs native Linux.

Why wouldn't I use it? Sure it costs $350 (fairly cheap in price) but why would I purposely spend more money for something equal or worse just for the sake of it? I still use it all the time 3+ years later and it's working fine for what I use it for (a portable computing device where I can do on the road dev work or comfortably read outside or in bed).

If you squint you can see that Toshiba getting some usage when I went to Cloud Field Day last year. I'm in the back left: http://nickjanetakis.com/assets/blog/cards/coming-back-to-cl...

> IIRC he also has a course where he teaches you to build a SaaS app with flask, but you don't build it from scratch - he starts with a fully built app and walks you through it/has you implement parts of it. It's a project he used for clients, and instead of investing time to reimplement it from scratch he just made a course based on the existing app (which is fine and better than no course, but an example of his frugality)

We don't build it from scratch because it's a very involved app. It has 4,000+ lines of just Flask code. You can't make a video course and code something like that up line by line from scratch. It would be an unreasonable amount of video (possibly even approaching 100 hours of video), and when I asked thousands of people if they would rather have an 80+ hour course or a ~10 hour course they all picked 10 hours.

This is also made aware on the course description's FAQ at https://buildasaasappwithflask.com (near the bottom, 2nd FAQ item down from the top) so I'm not trying to hide it and we also do cover every single line of the code and you get to see it all come together from 1 file to the final app in stages, and you have git diffs to see what changed between each section. There's also 50 to 100 hours worth of coding exercises to add features into the app to get experience building specific things.

That decision wasn't due to frugality. It was out of necessity and user feedback. It also took me almost half a year of full time work to make the course. If anything it would have been faster to do it live from scratch because then I wouldn't have had to break things up so carefully into sections. The course is based on -some- existing production code I used in the past, but that's not a negative thing. It just means I used well tested code in the course instead of building some untested toy example for the sake of the course.

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Lastly, just to wrap up, you skipped commenting on my audio / video set up. I spent close to $1,000 on everything and the reason I spent that much is because I felt it made a big enough difference in the quality of my audio to warrant spending that amount.

I could have just bought a Blue Yeti for $100 bucks and called it a day (I actually did this in the past, which I didn't factor into the above cost since I don't use it anymore) but I didn't stick with it because I believe the set up I use now produces better audio than my older videos. Basically I spend money when I feel like it makes a positive difference.

If there were a $100 keyboard that's better than the one I'm using now in every way shape and form with zero compromises I would instantly buy it, but I don't feel like typing is my bottleneck and I haven't found such a keyboard.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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Author here. A lot of people commented here saying it's questionable not to mention I happened to use an affiliate link. I want to thank those people for bringing that up. My intent wasn't to deceive anyone and I hope my HN comment history (98% of what I post here are comments on other people's stuff) separate me from yet another affiliate blog spammer. I just pushed an update to my site that now includes a little sn…

Do those affiliate links make enough to make it worthwhile?

I wrote a 2,300 word blog post about affiliate links earlier today that I will be posting next week (and probably linking to that in that little snippet of text).

It goes into the details.

The TL;DR is no it's not worthwhile if you're factoring in time spent vs money earned.

I put close to 5 years and 5,000 hours of my time into creating my site and supporting anyone who asks questions for free with zero expectations. I currently make about $50-75 a month from all affiliate links combined.

But to be fair only 5% of the pages on my site have affiliate links because my site isn't about affiliate sales. It just so happens as a developer I sometimes find useful products and write about them. 95% of the posts are about some programming / developer topic.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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The responses from the keyboard enthusiasts here are a real life example of this phenomenon: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZK8Z8hulFg The guy just likes this cheap keyboard. I use those aluminum Mac keyboards for most of the same reasons: I like (somewhat) low key travel, they’re cheap and easy to find, and last reasonably well. Edit: Actually it looks like the $50 keyboard I’m talking about got replaced by the “Mag…

no, this guy is just selling his cheap keyboard via amazon referal link. and "if they ever stopped making it, i'd buy a few if them!"

You're quoting things out of context.

I only said that because it was something I did almost 20 years ago with the Logitech Wingman mouse when it was officially labeled as no longer being produced.

Re: Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard

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FYI: The author of this is "not a home row typist", not mentioned in the article. YMMV if you touch type.

Touch typing and home row typing are different things by the way.

My hands aren't on the home row but I do type by touch. I don't look at the keyboard except for a few weird key combos.

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