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A German Idea of Freedom: Nude Ping-Pong, Nude Sledding, Nude Anything

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USA has many temporarily embarrassed millionaires (or billionaires these days).

You should look up the origin of that quote. Not only is it paraphrasing part of a story and not an actual quote, but it's referring to people that voted to enact communist policies and ended up poor, instead of creating a society where everyone had everything they could want. They didn't want to admit that they'd been fooled by the government, so they were the "temporarily embarrassed millionares".

Here's the original John Steinbeck quote it's paraphrased from, if anyone's interested:

>"Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property.

>"I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew — at least they claimed to be Communists — couldn't have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves."

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This is how they drive innovation, to over simplify just a bit, you are either an innovator or a peasant. A bit of devils advocate here: Would we have the MRI machine without extreme competition? I hope so, but I am not convinced. What technological revolutions will/have come from Germany?

MRI is a weird thing for you to choose as an example. Siemens, a German company, is one of the big manufacturers of MRI machines.

A poor example indeed. I'm a globalist so I don't personally care, I just truly want to believe the Americans extreme capitalist model has accelerated global development. Their impact after WW2 has been hard to deny, I also sometimes think that the rest of the world was decimated so they had a long period of insulation and defacto dominance simply because the rest of the planet was beat down.

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Being naked is nice but there are also negative freedoms that are quite important, although seemingly not as newsworthy. Has to be said that Germans enjoy quite a few of those, like * the freedom to not get bankrupt if they have a medical issue, * not get murdered while at school, * not be unable to afford rent and groceries unless working three minimal wage jobs (possibly four to afford health insurance), * not bein…

This is how they drive innovation, to over simplify just a bit, you are either an innovator or a peasant. A bit of devils advocate here: Would we have the MRI machine without extreme competition? I hope so, but I am not convinced. What technological revolutions will/have come from Germany?

Since you mentioned nuclear magnetic resonance, the first commercial superconducting magnets were actually German and manufactured by Bruker.

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Just an FYI, the German word for naked is "nackt", not to be confused with "nacht", which means night. Which might not seem important, unless you, like my sister in law, accidentally signed up for a "nackt wandelen" or "naked hike", as opposed to a "night hike" at her daughter's university (Freie Universität Berlin) when she went to visit her last year. Fortunately her daughter saw the mistake long before they attemp…

FYI, it's "Nacht/Nackt Wandern". No such thing as wandelen (Apparently Dutch, as noted below). German OCD kicking in, please ignore ;-)

I don't speak German.... How do you say walk/hike?

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I also particularly enjoy the "Germanic Stare Down"[0] culture; being free to look at anyone and in the eyes without that being considered hostile is something I consider healthy as well. Compared to other places where lack of eye contact can make you feel isolated and alone, a pair of eyes and a smile in the street can bring a sense of belonging. [0]: https://www.spiegel.de/international/the-germanic-stare-down...

The friendliness of a pair of eyes depends quite a bit on the context. This culture seems quite potent in (German-speaking) Switzerland as well, but at least as a visible minority I seem to experience far more less-than-kind stares that wouldn't be acceptable in the US or the UK, for instance. Giving people license to stare can certainly make others feel like they don't belong when it's indiscriminately applied.

They are probably trying to figure out where you are from. As an American with Norman and Germanic ancestry I get stared at periodically when shopping, and I think they are trying to figure out what is off about me. I definitely do not perceive it as friendly or welcoming in any way. What is unique about the Germanic stare down is there is no effort made on the part of the starer to avert their gaze or even acknowledge that they are staring. Walking towards the starer usually encourages them to turn away.

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post #60

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This is something I've always struggled with. I grew up in a part of the world where you just don't make eye contact. Ever. Spent many years in and around colleges where folks were the opposite - very heavy on eye contact. And so I adapted. Moved back home after college and suddenly I was "too creepy" for everyone, even my family. Feels like much less of an issue since I moved to Texas, where folks in the smaller tow…

Where is home for you?

West Virginia, specifically Charleston. The general lack of eye contact was more pronounced in remote groups and less prevalent in Charleston proper, and I really never noticed until I spent time up in Morgantown at the university. Seems far more common in the deeper southern coal fields and almost non-existent in the north. Presumably this has to do with immigration waves and when parts of the state were settled (or when the industrial owners brought in large numbers scab labor), but I've never seen a study on it.

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What caught me in this article is that it puts naked children in the pool in the same corner as nudist adults. The former is very common outside the English speaking world in general while the latter is rather a Germanic thing. Personally I find places that don't allow nudity for small children quite strange - it's basically sexualizing them way too early.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The friendliness of a pair of eyes depends quite a bit on the context. This culture seems quite potent in (German-speaking) Switzerland as well, but at least as a visible minority I seem to experience far more less-than-kind stares that wouldn't be acceptable in the US or the UK, for instance. Giving people license to stare can certainly make others feel like they don't belong when it's indiscriminately applied.

They are probably trying to figure out where you are from. As an American with Norman and Germanic ancestry I get stared at periodically when shopping, and I think they are trying to figure out what is off about me. I definitely do not perceive it as friendly or welcoming in any way. What is unique about the Germanic stare down is there is no effort made on the part of the starer to avert their gaze or even acknowled…

People will always try to figure you out. But with the German stare this communication is enhanced, you get feedback on their feelings for you and you can respond to that with your attitude. In other cultures, they make a judgement and there is nothing more to be done, they close down. In Germany this channel of communication and feedback stays open and works, in my experience, collectively. Once you develop an attitude that works that stops the ugly stares in the grocery, then stares become less threatening in general, collectively. It does seem to be a kind of a super-organism behavior that isn't very well understood, which is why I find it fascinating.

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> Why is this only a German thing. I'd say that German is the sense of comfort towards nudity. > There're nude beaches everywhere. Well, islamic countries are very unlikely to have them. When it comes to European countries, there are, however, some religions (ie. catholicism) are generally more conservative, and in countries with such beliefs, nudism/nudity is considered sort of "hippy", or strange in general. Someth…

There are certainly plenty of nude beaches and nude ranches in the U.S., but Germany certainly might be more accepting of nudity in public. In Iceland, people are invited to shower in the nude with soap before getting in the sauna or hot tub "for hygienic reasons". Personally I like that one better than naked or clothed for hygiene.

Isn't that everywhere? I mean, if you go to a gym, don't you shower in the nude after your workout with plenty of nude people? That's every gym, in America, Germany, or wherever
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