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Re: Android 10

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Post by The_rationalist »

nxc18 wrote: post #260
ktta wrote: post #211

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FYI, chrome on iOS's core is just Safari's

I know, if anything that makes it more embarrassing for Android - Google controls that whole system and they're still not beating WKWebview on their flagship device. Going between Android and iOS, that's one of the hardest aspects that I think gets overlooked - the browser is just slower and its noticeable. I pointed out the flagship device in this case, but its no better on the lower end devices.

Show evidence? Webkit having 200K commits vs 850K commits of chromium I find your claim ridiculous.

Re: Android 10

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Post by criddell »

threeseed wrote: post #234
kbenson wrote: post #44

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> But alas, iMessage pressure is real in my friend's group. Man, in my extended family SMS text group, this comes up once every couple weeks. One of us will note they aren't getting a random message, or someone will send a video and the quality will be crap, and the iPhone users will all mention how if we all had iPhones, this wouldn't be a problem. Cue a few of is getting kind of triggered because it's only Apple's…

RCS is dead. The take up amongst operators is really low. And it's unlikely that will change anytime soon as their focus is on the 5G rollout and not on re-platforming their messaging system. Also the system is unencrypted so you would have to be crazy to use it in this environment.

I don't understand why they would do a default unencrypted messaging service today.

Re: Android 10

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Post by nailer »

coding123 wrote: post #186
kbenson wrote: post #79

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That right, you're correct. If I want to buy a new phone that's three years old, I can pay $450 for an iPhone 7. Or $600 for a 2 year old phone, or $750, for a phone released a year ago, which is more what I would consider when buying a new phone (why would I buy a new phone that's multiple years old hardware?). So, I think $750 is a fair amount to reference, and I agree that $1000 is a bit high.

That's why I paid 475 for the OnePlus 7 (not the pro I can't stand the pop out camera). I was going in for the latest tech, I don't want 3 year old tech for that price.

Hah I love the pop up camera, I can't stand holes in my screen.

Re: Android 10

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Post by nineteen999 »

shpx wrote: post #286
distances wrote: post #242

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I wouldn't mind the lower power that much, but camera is one of my main use cases for phone. Pixel is just so damn good at taking pictures. The cheap phones do have considerably worse cameras, no way around that.

The Pixel 1 XL has a good camera and you can buy a used one for under $200.

Not to mention they are still getting updates, I'm installing Android 10 now.

Re: Android 10

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Post by neilalexander »

kllrnohj wrote: post #299
unicornporn wrote: post #293

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> a removable battery and OS updates for two years This provokes me. Are we supposed to be happy with two years ? The environmental impact of e-waste and the production of electronics should not be understated. I have a Nexus 5 as a backup phone. It works just as well as my main handset. I know how to duck the G-surveillance and I'm able to keep it alive because I have the knowledge to install roms. Not everyone does…

> Are we supposed to be happy with two years? The environmental impact of e-waste should not be understated. Note it's 2 years of feature updates not 2 years and it turns into a brick. Everything will still work and you'll still get new apps and app updates for far longer than 2 years. Security updates go for longer, too.

Given that Apple are still managing to roll out operating system updates to iPhones that are 5 years old, a potent question is why Google and Android device manufacturers are either unable or unwilling to attempt to do the same. Planned obsolescence isn't just an attack on your customers, it's also environmentally irresponsible.

Re: Android 10

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Post by nineteen999 »

prab97 wrote: post #298
unicornporn wrote: post #295

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Hope you have it backed up, because they die sooner or later. For me it was sooner, for my friend it was later. Some soldering problem if I recall things right. A bootloop is the first (and sometimes the last sign).

I can confirm that. My Nexus 5X died with bootloop after the warranty was over and all the googling led me to make peace with the fact that it was a soldering issue, hence a manufacturing defect.

Yep same here, I didn't understand what went wrong at the time, but I did read here on HN a month or two ago that it was a known issue.

Re: Android 10

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Post by threeseed »

kbenson wrote: post #255
threeseed wrote: post #234

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RCS is dead. The take up amongst operators is really low. And it's unlikely that will change anytime soon as their focus is on the 5G rollout and not on re-platforming their messaging system. Also the system is unencrypted so you would have to be crazy to use it in this environment.

Apparently it's live in the UK and France for Android as of a couple months ago[1], so maybe not entirely dead? 1: https://9to5google.com/2019/07/01/rcs-hands-on-not-quite-ime...

Only one operator in UK (Vodafone) so far.

There are about 800+ mobile phone operators around the world and based on reports about 50 or so have signed up. Not a great percentage after 10+ years.

And I think the lack of encryption is going to kill adoption in many parts of the world.

Re: Android 10

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Post by brlewis »

unicornporn wrote: post #295
brlewis wrote: post #290

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> We have had similar, but not as bad, reactions to other low end device we use for testing Let me guess -- Nexus 5X? I use one as my primary phone, and the slowness is noticeable but usually tolerable.

Hope you have it backed up, because they die sooner or later. For me it was sooner, for my friend it was later. Some soldering problem if I recall things right. A bootloop is the first (and sometimes the last sign).

I do. This is my 2nd Nexus 5X from craigslist, but when this one dies I plan on replacing it with a Pixel 3a.

Re: Android 10

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Post by catbird »

Dunedan wrote: post #280
catbird wrote: post #252

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I don't understand how 'swipe from the left' can be used as a universal back gesture. Isn't it the case that most apps use that gesture already to open a menu? Then again I still miss having physical back and home buttons since I upgraded to a newer android phone. It would be nice if manufactures added more buttons to the side of the phone so the other fingers have something to do.

> I don't understand how 'swipe from the left' can be used as a universal back gesture. Isn't it the case that most apps use that gesture already to open a menu? That's also discussed in the blog post I linked. tl;dr: Only a small subset of users (3-7%) uses a swipe gesture to open these menus (all others use the hamburger menu) and these users have to adapt now to do different kinds of swipes for opening the menu an…

After reading your comment, I went through my most commonly used apps and found that they all have a hamburger button in the top left corner that brings up the same menu as a swipe from left gesture. Somehow I never noticed those buttons before, leaving me feeling a bit spooked. How is it that something I look at dozens of times a day could go unnoticed for so long?

Re: Android 10

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Post by jl6 »

Did HEIC support ever come to Android? I recall it being announced for Pie I think, but cannot find any evidence of people using it.

I’ve been hoping that Android adoption of HEIC would increase the availability of software to view and manage such files.

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