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Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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If worst comes to worst, I hope there's satellite connectivity to HK. Or landlines not under Chinese jurisdiction. EDIT: To clarify, I'm concerned about what could happen if China cuts HK off from the Internet.

Seeing how well it’s working for Indoa in Kashmir, I”m surprised China hasn’t done it by now.

Kashmir isn't as highly networked in the global world like HK is, which is probably why the Indian government can get away with it... it is a chilling lesson to any region that doesn't have the luxury of being a financial hub, which safeguards from sudden blackouts...

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/28/india-restore-kashmirs-i...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/internet-mobile-blackou...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pranavdixit/this-is-wha...

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Next step, Chinese intelligence hacks their database of verified phone numbers. Anonymity over. Having the resources of a nation state, they could probably do it easily.

You can skip the verification, but it's not obvious how to (dark pattern).

If you skip verification but the people you communicate with do not, then all of you are at risk of being publicly identified.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Apparently you need to fail verification a few times before it'll present the option. I kept giving it bogus phone numbers and eventually a "skip" button appeared.

I wouldn't trust an app where the first thing you have to do is navigate dark patterns.

How is that a dark pattern? It's better if you do verify, so you can see your contacts and others can know it's you. If that fails, then we offer to use the app without verification.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Hi everybody, I'm Jorge, founder of Bridgefy. Happy to answer any questions!

Hi Jorge, fyi I just browsed for Bridgefy on google and clicked on the first link that showed up and some random page turned up. It looked like it was hacked or something.

That first link from Google is highly NSFW. A fully nude woman appears on the screen from some scammy local dating ad network. Has their DNS been hijacked?

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Super interesting. At Burning Man this year it seemed like a significant percent of the city had goTennas, which had never been true before. I also remember reading about a big mesh in Brooklyn being a thing recently. I bet we’re going to be hearing more about practical mesh networks in the coming years.

Reminds me of Nintendo's PictoChat, a peer-to-peer, physical proximity-based chat application that was built into the DS. I've written about it on here before [0]: > [You could] chat on one of four available channels with nearby users over local wireless, by exchanging text and hand-drawn pictures. > At about the peak of its popularity—right before smartphones became truly prevalent among kids my age—I was doing midd…

PictoChat was great, we used it during schoolwide assemblies (put in the middle of the day so students couldn't ditch as easily).

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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No closed source mesh networking can be secure. However good user experience it has. They are no different than using WhatsApp. Indeed in that respect at least Signal is better. I am not sure why protestors did not adopt the open source serval mesh project apk and ios app. [1] In Hong Kong given the density of building it's bit hard to have a line of sight, so it will still be hard to build a local network. But it's…

Something works, it helps their protests admist disruption of telecom. Appreciate that please. Not everything needs to be technical. More we speak of tech, more morale we loose.

More we speak of tech, more morale we lose.

Meaning human-centric vs tech-centric morale/world-view?

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You need to create a developer account, learn how to use xCode (not at all trivial), and even with all that you need to reinstall it every 7 days. Effectively sideloading does not exist. The fact that 0.001 percent of people who own an iPhone can, with great effort, sideload apps is irrelevant.

You don't need a developer account anymore to sideload apps on iOS.

But you still must reinstall every 7 days?

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Because messaging software that drains batteries is what everyone wants...

It's better than the alternative, which is no messaging.

PoW or no messaging seems to me like an obviously false dichotomy.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Surprising given how easily defeatable it is for anyone sufficiently motivated.

The only "easily defeatable" method that I'm aware of is to make your call from somewhere you don't mind being bombed, make it from a place with multiple egress points, and to stay on the call for at most 90 seconds. Or put an optical repeater at your target (bombable) site and install a long run of fiber to your safe location, which you then have to abandon. Doesn't seem very practical to me.

Optical repeater? You're overthinking it. You don't need minimal latency or perfect signal quality to make voice calls worthwhile, crap quality is fine. And if you have to abandon a satellite phone because your comms station got blown up...so what? That's just a cost of doing business. They're maybe a couple thousand on the black market, probably the same or less than a MANPAD.

Re: Hong Kong protestors using Bridgefy's Bluetooth-based mesh network messaging app

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Then why hasn’t that happened with Signal yet? Being open source may not have much of a correlation on how features change for such apps.

Signal is really three things with the same name (four or five, if you count the foundation and/or the LLC): 1) The Signal protocol, which can have multiple implementations (WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and Skype all use it), 2) The Signal client and server, which are open source, and 3) The Signal service operated by Signal Messenger, LLC. You can use either 1 or 2 to implement a system that doesn't require a phone…

For all practical purposes, "Signal" being open source hasn't made that happen. As for Wire, yes, I know about its origins and I use it too, but even Wire had disagreements with Signal on using the protocol and finally managed to settle it (this is from 2016, so take it for what it's worth). [1] Wire is also focusing more on paying users and businesses and building features exclusively for that market. So the free tier is no longer a great place to be in.

[1]: https://medium.com/@wireapp/axolotl-and-proteus-788519b186a7...

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