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A German Idea of Freedom: Nude Ping-Pong, Nude Sledding, Nude Anything

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from the article > A lot of Germans don’t get naked in public, but nudists are ubiquitous enough that the practice has entered the national psyche.

Nope, not true (south Germany) This is assumed to be true in previous east Germany. I cannot confirm or deny how real this assumption is ;-)

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Just an FYI, the German word for naked is "nackt", not to be confused with "nacht", which means night. Which might not seem important, unless you, like my sister in law, accidentally signed up for a "nackt wandelen" or "naked hike", as opposed to a "night hike" at her daughter's university (Freie Universität Berlin) when she went to visit her last year. Fortunately her daughter saw the mistake long before they attemp…

Perhaps she would have enjoyed that more...

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Why is this only a German thing. There're nude beaches everywhere. Basic idea of freedom is to be free from the conventional norm.

According to the DDR museum here in Berlin, the popularity of nudism in east Germany was a reaction against the restrictions of the DDR government.

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Nope, not true (south Germany) This is assumed to be true in previous east Germany. I cannot confirm or deny how real this assumption is ;-)

On sunny days there are naked folks in Englischer Garten, Munich.

Yep. Riding to work, I often got an unexpected and unwelcome eyeful.

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This is like saying all Americans love McDonalds :) (I'm German) If this was voted up for fun I'm on it, if it was voted up because someone thinks it is true count me out :)

Being naked is nice but there are also negative freedoms that are quite important, although seemingly not as newsworthy. Has to be said that Germans enjoy quite a few of those, like * the freedom to not get bankrupt if they have a medical issue, * not get murdered while at school, * not be unable to afford rent and groceries unless working three minimal wage jobs (possibly four to afford health insurance), * not bein…

I agree, but from spending a fair bit of time in both countries, America has a lot of advantages over Germany as well. For the poor, working, and lower-middle class, Germany is far better to live in without doubt, but for the well-off, it's a tougher comparison.

I would rattle things off, but it's more like an aggregate of small things rather than big things like "free healthcare", and I don't want to seem petty and discount the critical importance of healthcare and education. But as one example, if you want to create a tech startup, there are many reasons why it's better to do it in America than in Germany. Other people's lives matter more than fulfilling one's "Uber for dogs" startup fantasy or something, to be sure, but people optimize for different things given their personal circumstances.

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I get the idea that once you've accepted nudity then it would follow that you can do anything at all nude. But nude sledding sounds miserable and cold. Is this a translation issue or does someone actually think laying down naked in the snow on a toboggan and riding through winter's bounty is fun? Germans can be odd, but this sounds dumb.

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This is like saying all Americans love McDonalds :) (I'm German) If this was voted up for fun I'm on it, if it was voted up because someone thinks it is true count me out :)

Virtually all Americans love McDonalds.

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Being naked is nice but there are also negative freedoms that are quite important, although seemingly not as newsworthy. Has to be said that Germans enjoy quite a few of those, like * the freedom to not get bankrupt if they have a medical issue, * not get murdered while at school, * not be unable to afford rent and groceries unless working three minimal wage jobs (possibly four to afford health insurance), * not bein…

I agree, but from spending a fair bit of time in both countries, America has a lot of advantages over Germany as well. For the poor, working, and lower-middle class, Germany is far better to live in without doubt, but for the well-off, it's a tougher comparison. I would rattle things off, but it's more like an aggregate of small things rather than big things like "free healthcare", and I don't want to seem petty and…

So for 90% of people it's better. For the 10% who are always comfortable, it is still comfortable, but not as comfortable as possible.

Re: A German Idea of Freedom: Nude Ping-Pong, Nude Sledding, Nude Anything

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I agree, but from spending a fair bit of time in both countries, America has a lot of advantages over Germany as well. For the poor, working, and lower-middle class, Germany is far better to live in without doubt, but for the well-off, it's a tougher comparison. I would rattle things off, but it's more like an aggregate of small things rather than big things like "free healthcare", and I don't want to seem petty and…

So for 90% of people it's better. For the 10% who are always comfortable, it is still comfortable, but not as comfortable as possible.

USA has many temporarily embarrassed millionaires (or billionaires these days).
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