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Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google maps and Apple maps traffic is cross sourced anonymously too

Interesting, so you're suggesting that the Google and Apple navigation apps are also crowd-sourced social networks like Waze? If that's true I wonder why Waze is singled out for these types of articles.

AFAIK, this is not really accurate; Google Maps, Apple Maps, and Waze often pick different routes between the same two points at the same time of day in my (admittedly informal) experiments. Google and Apple pretty consistently favored major roads unless there were serious traffic backups on them, while during anything remotely resembling commuting hour, Waze was frequently acting like your crazy uncle who swears taking 28 residential roads, two of which are unpaved and the last of which is an alleyway that ends in an unprotected left turn across three lanes of dense traffic, is clearly the best route.

(And while that's an exaggeration, Waze has consistently been far more likely to send me down unpaved roads, ridiculously steep hills, and, yes, unprotected left turns onto busy highways, presumably because the residential road I was on was lower traffic than the parallel road one block away with traffic lights.)

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

#52
This happens in Fremont in the bay area. Its right between 880 and 680 so when one freeway backs up people flood onto the streets to save a few minutes. Also there is a section of Mission blvd that runs parallel to 680 that people started taking as a shortcut. Many of these streets are not designed for that level of traffic. The city resorted to strategically adding some stop signs and "no right turn" signs from what I heard.

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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In LA are these shortcuts worth it? I was surprised to find with Google maps more often than not it suggests to just take that busy highway that is crawling alone because ... it really is faster. I've tried to defy google maps ... rarely do I win. Granted google maps is wrong at times. During snowstorms it loves to send me down off streets that haven't yet been plowed or ... worse random county roads you do not want…

Travel time isn't everything. Negotiating a series of scenic turns is often more pleasant than inching along on the highway, even if the latter takes less time.

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

#54
post #38

Not talked about here - that the upper (and middle) class intentionally built their communities to be minimally accessible to keep the riffraff out. That of course making the traffic hell that people are trying to get away from. Nobody can live near where they work because they can’t afford it. Traffic is as much a housing and economic problem as it is an engineering one.

Or because the communities were built before car culture totally took over the area. I think it's more dependent on geography/geology.

Some of these gnarly streets are in places like the Hollywood Hills, where people try and get around the chokepoint that is created by the Sepulveda pass. But plenty of them are in working class neighborhoods like Echo Park, like this very steep street: https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-lopez-echo-pa...

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s not clear to me why the various impacted cities don’t choose to ban through traffic Can you physically turn the streets into cul-de-sacs? Where I live a lot of domestic streets are cul-de-sacs presumably to prevent too many people driving past.

You can install what’s called “Modal Filters”: A series of barriers that lets pedestrians and cycles pass, but blocks cars. This slightly inconveniences local traffic, but blocks through traffic.

Near my downtown side-streets there are temporary barriers that you can actually drive around (but you know you're going against what the sign says).

I presume enforcement is always an option.

Another point, on my street there used to be horrible backup right in front of my house, but once the light near the school nearby went to a half-duplex mode, apps stopped recommending it as a sure bet shortcut. Once that happened traffic lowered considerably.

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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When these articles show up now and again, it’s not clear to me why the various impacted cities don’t choose to ban through traffic. Some articles have implied that this is not possible. Los Altos did this a while back[1]. Is there a legal issue the communities surrounding Los Angeles want to avoid, that Los Altos simply took the risk on? [1] https://slate.com/business/2017/06/suburbs-finally-figured-o...

> it’s not clear to me why the various impacted cities don’t choose to ban through traffic Can you physically turn the streets into cul-de-sacs? Where I live a lot of domestic streets are cul-de-sacs presumably to prevent too many people driving past.

Actually can you just put traffic-triggered off-by-default red lights, similar to the ones used on highway on-ramps to trickle cars in during rush hour?

If only one or two cars are seen on the road, turn the light off. If more than that, turn it on and allow one car per green every several seconds. It will reduce throughput enough that Waze will automatically route away from it (and eventually Waze editors will have to figure out how to encode it) without affecting normal residential traffic.

For whatever reason, people don't always care about speed limits but they usually don't run red lights.

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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When these articles show up now and again, it’s not clear to me why the various impacted cities don’t choose to ban through traffic. Some articles have implied that this is not possible. Los Altos did this a while back[1]. Is there a legal issue the communities surrounding Los Angeles want to avoid, that Los Altos simply took the risk on? [1] https://slate.com/business/2017/06/suburbs-finally-figured-o...

It turns out than bans on through traffic aren't legally enforceable. The signs are merely advisory.

Woah.

Can state law change this, or is this a federal funding requirement? (I can't imagine it's a constitutional requirement. Plenty of publicly-funded services from food stamps to the restrooms at Area 51 have restrictions on which members of the general public can use them.)

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

they can be minimally quicker once Waze catches on. One of my current shortcuts that I've taken for over 10 years dropped off the Waze radar during the summer when traffic is less. With school back in session, I am now saving 15 minutes on my commute. However, once Waze catches on and starts sending folks down my shortcut, I'll be lucky to save just a few minutes. It is for this reason I don't let any apps track my c…

> It is for this reason I don't let any apps track my commute to work. That doesn't seem like it would do you any good. Either other people on the road are reporting their speed and location to Waze (in which case your resistance is futile), or no one is, in which case Waze will presumably assume that there is no traffic on the road and send more people down it.

I live in Los Angeles. Waze only learns a new route if you teach it a route. One time I was stuck in the hills in the Valley and traffic was particularly awful. It kept re-routing, and I was wondering why it wasn't sending me on a particular route, so I decided to go that way. Well, next day the route is full of people. This has happened a few times.

So now I have routes that I know and purposely do not share with any of these apps. I make everyone in the car turn off Waze, Google, etc. If I am in an Uber or Lyft, I will just sit there. I once shared a route with an Uber driver and it's now filled with Wazers. I also have routes where I ignore the no turn signs but Waze respects those so I don't care.

Re: Traffic apps turned L.A.’s neighborhoods into ”shortcuts”

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post #30

LA is a very strange place to me - I read about all this havoc, but whenever I fly in there and do stuff it seems fairly quiet and almost somnabulent.

LA is quite fine if you don't have to go very far and can stay on local streets.

However, if you have to switch enclaves by crossing one of the choke points, you will get hammered by traffic.

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