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Re: Obama administration moves forward with unique Internet ID for all Americans

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You can already sign up for a bank account online and prove you are who you say you are by inputting enough personal information so they can verify you.

Sure there is potential for identity theft but much less so than with what they are proposing now.

As far as single logins, there is already a well established solution with OpenID, OAuth, and the Log in with Facebook / Twitter style logins.

Re: Obama administration moves forward with unique Internet ID for all Americans

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Remind me again of why we "need" a solution such as this? All this screeching reminds me of the people wanting a centralized solution to spam in the 1990s via government control or micropayments. We don't hear from them anymore because of spam filters and increased storage and bandwidth. My google account has double authentication now, telephone as well as a second email address, and serves as a central repository fo…

"Remind me again of why we 'need' a solution such as this?" There are lots of services that people want that are impossible to build without a way to prove that someone is who they say they are. E.g. better reputation systems. "we all KNOW it will be abused." Obviously. That doesn't mean there isn't a need though.

Reputation for purchasers and sellers is a solved problem. Eg, ebay.

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Except that no financial institution will accept a Facebook identity.

They will if the government mandates it.

Why use an already existing system that works when you can create a new one under your control that doesn't?

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The Facebook will lead the pack. It will also try to establish itself as central authentication authority.

Except that no financial institution will accept a Facebook identity.

I think facebook will become a financial institution.

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"Remind me again of why we 'need' a solution such as this?" There are lots of services that people want that are impossible to build without a way to prove that someone is who they say they are. E.g. better reputation systems. "we all KNOW it will be abused." Obviously. That doesn't mean there isn't a need though.

A better REPUTATION system (??!!??!!) is the best you could come up with? I cannot think of a less important application of a national ID card. And even in this area, Amazon/Newegg have solved the pretty nicely with the "verified purchaser" tag. How is the national ID card system better? For Serious Stuff (TM) like opening a stock trading account, laws have already been passed to make an all-electronic signup as bind…

I think you are dismissing this on pretty unresolved ground.

To claim that Amazon/Newegg solved it with "verified purchaser" is simply on unsubstantiated ground.

I could find plenty of serious uses for reputation systems. In fact I would claim that reputation systems is going to be the future of verification.

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Norway has a unified authentication scheme for government sites The UK has a similar system, although surprisingly few people know about it: http://www.gateway.gov.uk/

we also have something like that were in the Netherlands. Work really well actally.

In Finland most government services use your banking credentials for authentication. The same system can also be used by others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUPAS

Re: Obama administration moves forward with unique Internet ID for all Americans

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"Remind me again of why we 'need' a solution such as this?" There are lots of services that people want that are impossible to build without a way to prove that someone is who they say they are. E.g. better reputation systems. "we all KNOW it will be abused." Obviously. That doesn't mean there isn't a need though.

A better REPUTATION system (??!!??!!) is the best you could come up with? I cannot think of a less important application of a national ID card. And even in this area, Amazon/Newegg have solved the pretty nicely with the "verified purchaser" tag. How is the national ID card system better? For Serious Stuff (TM) like opening a stock trading account, laws have already been passed to make an all-electronic signup as bind…

"We criticize China when it does something like this, but when America does it's all fine."

I'm not saying we should build this, just that in an ideal society it would make sense because there are real benefits.

Re: Obama administration moves forward with unique Internet ID for all Americans

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This article is pretty light on details. Here's a quote from the White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt: Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential, if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said. Read…

I don't have to get (one)

Cool. They've got the OK from me. It could turn out to be neat, and so long as it's optional I'm not worried.

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