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Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by baud147258 »

Intermernet wrote: post #77
baud147258 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I'm a believing Catholic and believe in science too.

What, in this instance, defines "Catholic" and "science"? Science relies more on disbelief than belief. Faith is anathema to the scientific method. You can disagree, but you should be able to make a cogent argument as to why what I just typed is incorrect.

I don't like the term belied when applied to science, but I still used since it was the term the parent comment used. In that context, it's faith in the scientific method, not blind faith in anything that science has to say

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by baud147258 »

Intermernet wrote: post #75
baud147258 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Belief in God is at odds with a scientific view of the world I'd say both are orthogonal to each other. The religious view of the world explain the "why do we exist?" and the scientific view the "how do we exist?".

Most religions purport to explain both, and science has little interest in the former, as it has traditionally been impossible to come up with falsifiable experiments as to "why do we exist". This is, like your comment, taking strict definitions for both "why" and "how". "why" we exist can have answers ranging from "we're the current latest bunch of mutants resulting from this whole evolution thing" all the way to "a…

> "why" we exist can have answers ranging from "we're the current latest bunch of mutants resulting from this whole evolution thing" all the way to "as self-realized, intelligent beings, we inevitably ask this question, and asking this question is the only predictable outcome of being intelligent and self-realized."

To this range of answers, I'd add "because God created us (because of reasons outside the scope of this answer)"

"how we exist" is how does the universe works, which is explored and explained by the various scientific fields

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by david_blitz1 »

"Alas [...] Eight of the top 50 are marked “NSFW” (not safe for work)." This is straight 19th century stuff. I think it's safe to say that western art lost its "safe for work" status like 200 years ago. I suggest the author should grow up and get an education..

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by chmod775 »

scrdhrt wrote: post #43
phoe-krk wrote: post #17

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> Not sure how the author decides what is ordinary and what is transcendent. This. Why should I allow anyone to define what kinds of art should I find transcendent and, worse, which kinds of art are non-transcendent ? This article is weird and full of stereotypes; it's written from the point as if art was easily and objectively classifiable. No, art is not classifiable like that, and something that one man calls ever…

Art is whatever you get away with.

Or rather, at times the work of art isn't your creation, but the fact that you managed to get away with, say, a blank canvas.

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by Intermernet »

baud147258 wrote: post #81
Intermernet wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, in this instance, defines "Catholic" and "science"? Science relies more on disbelief than belief. Faith is anathema to the scientific method. You can disagree, but you should be able to make a cogent argument as to why what I just typed is incorrect.

I don't like the term belied when applied to science, but I still used since it was the term the parent comment used. In that context, it's faith in the scientific method, not blind faith in anything that science has to say

Yes, but faith in scientific method can be re-written as "I've seen the scientific method demonstrated in the past, and I will continue to see it demonstrated in the future, because it strictly follows rules that define it". It's a "faith" that things will continue to be tested to be false, and, if not found to be false, slightly more founded in the the way we understand and correlate the observable universe.

Those who define science as truth are being lazy with the definition. Science is a series of experiments to determine what doesn't seem to be true, so we can narrow down what might be true.

I'm not meaning to be oblique or argumentative, and I actually respect the right of anyone to believe anything they find to be personally gratifying to believe (otherwise science wouldn't progress). I just tend to get entrenched in these discussions because I find religion (and faith) so fascinating. I see "faith" as the birth of a hypothesis, but without experimentation, it's only a hypothesis.

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by dade_ »

fareesh wrote: post #73

For those who work there - I am curious, I occasionally come across complaints online that much of Silicon Valley and tech companies have a large "dirtbag left" (not my term, I am referencing what is written in the article) contingent of employees, who actively "cleanse" their ranks of all right-leaning employees. I am inclined to believe this because of past stories involving the Mozilla CEO and the Occulus CEO and…

America is so far right of center, many of the so called dirt bag left are actually center right.

However, in my experience extreme right wing social conservatives can be pretty good at self-cleansing by constantly sharing their amazing opinions on superior races, the problem with 'those people' and my favorite, informing people that they are living in sin.

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by kingbruce90 »

longtom wrote: post #56
bakuninsbart wrote: post #37

He mentions Kurzgesagt as a positive example - but ignores other educational channels like CGP Grey, CrashCourse and ContraPoints. - There's also many more highly educational podcasts and youtube channels that are very popular. Entertainment has shifted from TV to the internet in recent years, and as it grew more popular it also grew more mundane. - But looking at TV entertainment of previous decades, I think it is h…

"ContraPoints" is not an education channel.

Political education is education even if it's also propaganda (in the sense of information designed to persuade). A large number of political YouTube channels across the political spectrum could be called educational.

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by sidlls »

mieseratte wrote: post #51
jessaustin wrote: post #31

A recent survey of American values indicates that patriotism, belief in God and having children all rate much lower than they did 20 years ago. Gosh, one wonders what could have happened? Maybe two decades of pointless soul-rotting stupid wars, all supported by the most patriotic and pious among us? That has certainly sapped this correspondent's patriotism. (His piety, though, something else sapped that...) Next you'…

> Maybe twenty years of pointless soul-rotting stupid wars > Next you'll be telling us that trigger-happy crowd-murders are more common > It's as if chickens... come home to roost! I'm a bit confused, are you of the mind that there is some relation between mass-shooters and the wars in the Middle East? Or just those wars are why people feel less positive about patriotism?

There is a relationship: they're both either directly caused by or indirectly fomented by the same group of people ("patriotic, pious", and often racist right-wingers).

Re: A list of the top recipients on Patreon shows an obsession with the ordinary

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Post by mcv »

jessaustin wrote: post #31

A recent survey of American values indicates that patriotism, belief in God and having children all rate much lower than they did 20 years ago. Gosh, one wonders what could have happened? Maybe two decades of pointless soul-rotting stupid wars, all supported by the most patriotic and pious among us? That has certainly sapped this correspondent's patriotism. (His piety, though, something else sapped that...) Next you'…

> "two decades of pointless soul-rotting stupid wars"

Two? It's hardly a new development. Vietnam was just as pointless and soul-rotting.

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