Full cage and likely doesn't pass the sleeping Bobby test would disqualify it according to a certain unnamed host of Top Gears past. Cool anyway, but will be cooler when it's a true production car.
Can you explain what this means?
Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
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Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Going around 160km/h on highways in Europe is pretty common, also higher speeds for eg. in Germany
> Going around 160km/h on highways in Europe is pretty common is it? That is 20-50km/h above the limit in all european countries other than Germany. There are people going that speed, but in my experience across a few countries 99% of the traffic does not go that much above the limit. Sources: https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowle... . https://autotraveler.ru/en/spravka/max-speed-limits-in-euro…
Last statistics I saw showed ~50% of all traffic (which includes vehicles with speed limiters) travel in excess of the 70mph motorway limit in the UK.
Personally, I tend to cruise at an indicated 100mph because above that enforcement ratchets up. Which is about 160kph. I certainly think it's fair to describe that as not uncommon. I do similar speeds in France and Germany and am rarely the fastest vehicle around.
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#133It's futile to actually have road-legal cars that go this fast because you can't do very much useful with the speed. This is much too fast for the human operator (driver) to safely react to things outside the cockpit, which is why for example Britain owns trains capable of 140mph in service but deliberately limits them to 125mph. Tests suggested drivers couldn't be relied on to reliably observe and react to a linesid…
No one decides to marry their spouse based on how punctual they are. Cars like these (and just sports cars in general) are things you buy with your heart
People who are punctual tend to be reliable in general, so maybe it's not a bad idea?
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The "obvious" upgrade ... What's stopping the trains from operating autonomously?
They do in a lot of metros, although it's often very hard to retro-fit. The DLR got it at build-time. [1] One of the big issues is 'degraded working' where there's been some sort of failure (or perhaps adverse weather conditions) which means trains have to operate on vocal authority to proceed on sight. The problem then becomes as hard as driverless cars - you have to know when you've reached milepost 70 or the next…
Very good point with the degraded working. In a train serving hundreds of passengers (or many dozens of truckloads), running on something that is literally as expensive to maintain as a whole rail network, the cost saved by cutting the driver is just not worth the extra hassle and delay in edge cases. Perhaps it is much more meaningful to think of that person as the engineer on duty than as a driver.
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#135Full cage and likely doesn't pass the sleeping Bobby test would disqualify it according to a certain unnamed host of Top Gears past. Cool anyway, but will be cooler when it's a true production car.
Can you explain what this means?
A welded in / bolted in roll cage isn't something you find in a production vehicle, I'm not even sure if they're allowed.
The sleeping Bobby test is the ability to go over a speed bump (so names because it's like a policeman laying down).
These two metrics were often used by Clarkson to disqualify certain cars from the lap time leaderboard.
Cool car, but it'll be cooler when anyone can theoretically buy a road legal 300mph from the showroom.
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also Bugatti is part of the VW Group - so it's possible that some day the engineering may trickle down to all of the other brands in the group (such as the humble Skodas I've been driving for the last few years).
perhaps chassis and suspension may benefit but with rapid electrification impending in the future, even that is of dubious value. A Bugatti is like a piece of jewelry in my opinion - beautiful but of no practical value.
Electric cars still have chassis and suspension?
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#137It's futile to actually have road-legal cars that go this fast because you can't do very much useful with the speed. This is much too fast for the human operator (driver) to safely react to things outside the cockpit, which is why for example Britain owns trains capable of 140mph in service but deliberately limits them to 125mph. Tests suggested drivers couldn't be relied on to reliably observe and react to a linesid…
No one decides to marry their spouse based on how punctual they are. Cars like these (and just sports cars in general) are things you buy with your heart
> No one decides to marry their spouse based on how punctual they are.
Not their first spouse at least.
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Going around 160km/h on highways in Europe is pretty common is it? That is 20-50km/h above the limit in all european countries other than Germany. There are people going that speed, but in my experience across a few countries 99% of the traffic does not go that much above the limit. Sources: https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowle... . https://autotraveler.ru/en/spravka/max-speed-limits-in-euro…
Last statistics I saw showed ~50% of all traffic (which includes vehicles with speed limiters) travel in excess of the 70mph motorway limit in the UK. Personally, I tend to cruise at an indicated 100mph because above that enforcement ratchets up. Which is about 160kph. I certainly think it's fair to describe that as not uncommon. I do similar speeds in France and Germany and am rarely the fastest vehicle around.
> Personally, I tend to cruise at an indicated 100mph
In the UK? OK, at least it's clear what you think of the law.
Personally, I hope you get nailed for it. That sort of contempt for both the law and other road users ought to be penalised.
(Maybe you only cruise on empty motorways at 3 AM, and so that makes it acceptable...?)
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#139It's pretty impressive. In terms of a daily driver, I think the fun comes from the acceleration, and thus the torque a car can produce. My daily driver is a Mazda 3 / Mazda Axela, which comes with 200 Newtonmeter torque at 6400 rpm. It's ok, it's fun, but yeah. So the other day I drove a 2013 Nissan Leaf (BEV), which gives you ~250 Nm torque right at the beginning. This was so much fun to drive. So for me, a car does…
something that responds right to your foot is probably amazing...
Variable valve timing.
Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier
#140It's pretty impressive. In terms of a daily driver, I think the fun comes from the acceleration, and thus the torque a car can produce. My daily driver is a Mazda 3 / Mazda Axela, which comes with 200 Newtonmeter torque at 6400 rpm. It's ok, it's fun, but yeah. So the other day I drove a 2013 Nissan Leaf (BEV), which gives you ~250 Nm torque right at the beginning. This was so much fun to drive. So for me, a car does…
You could get close just with turbocharging which will lower the torque curve such that max torque is somewhere around 1500 to 2000RPM.
Case in point: a homologated (i.e. stock road car) Ford RS200 Evo set a record of 0-60 in 3.07 seconds back in 1986. When tuned for racing (non-road-legal) they would hit 60 in 2.1 sec.
That's with a 2.0 litre straight-four engine, in the 1980s.
Optimizing for ludicrous acceleration has always been possible. But it is at odds with race track performance, which is what Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini are focused on. At the track, if you are going below 80 mph at any point after the first 4 seconds, you're doing it wrong.