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Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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A lot of things humans do are pointless, but all the same we do them. Doesn't stop it being fun does it?

0-180 in the same time and hitting a speed limiter is going to be just as much fun for everyone. Unless you happen to have laid out a strip at Bonneville Salt flats. That seems poor justification.

I'm talking about the challenge, building a car that can do 300mph and then also drive to the shops seems like a really difficult engineering task.

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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Does anyone have any insights to if this brings any interesting science to the table that is applicable outside of this context? I personally have zero interest in a fast car going fast, but it's always interesting to see how these sorts of difficult feats help humanity in more general ways.

There is a bunch of R&D, typically not revolutionary but still best in class. It’s what engineers love to work on anyway; supercars would likely exist even if nobody wanted to buy them. I think we have plenty of similar “products” in the hardware and software markets - stuff that doesn’t necessarily move the needle, but somehow exists at the very top of the market anyway, simply because it satisfies a lust.

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Unions, mostly. The tech is there, especially on a 100% grade separated line like the TGV - no road crossings, and the full length is either fenced, in tunnels, or on bridges.

That's true of attempts to remove the guard, but I don't think it's true of automating the driver. Automatic train operation systems are expensive to design and maintain, and their advantage is mainly in precision: if you're trying to put 30 trains an hour down a segment of tube tunnel, it's very helpful if the system reacts immediately to red signals and brakes at a constant predictable rate. For longer distance ser…

Japan and Australia both have some GoA 4 systems. There may be no employees of the operator on the train at all when it's operating. I'm sure there are or will be more of these systems (as you say, for metro services which can be grade separated and run with high service frequency) over time.

In a GoA (Grade of Automation) 4 system the intent is that if things go wrong the remote team operates the train. This obviously means it can't cope with power failure, but these are invariably electric trains so they aren't going anywhere without power anyway. A mechanical fault that renders the train unable to continue safely under its own local supervision would result in a remote operator controlling it though.

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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How would a Tesla's initial torque compare to the Bugatti? Would the Bugatti reach 30 mph much faster?

Top Gear actually did a road test of a Tesla S vs an Aston Martin starting at 30 MPH and the Tesla dusted the Aston Martin. Considering electric motors start with max torque, and the stats that are easily googlable, the Tesla would have no problem with the Bugatti. Never mind the Tesla is smaller, has a lower center of gravity, and costs 15x less and has more range. And it's probably worth noting that the Tesla is al…

google "tesla ludicrous mode"

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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That car looks remarkably non-aerodynamic for that insane speed.

Many things that look very aerodynamic really aren’t, and vice versa. Much of fluid dynamics is non-intuitive.

Yeah, one of the lightbulb moments for me when learning more about aerodynamics and talking to my dad (former aircraft designer, workedon concorde) is how often what's happening at the back can be more important than what happens at the front, or how air leaves a surface can really bump up your drag in unexpected ways.

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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For those interested in the science and physical limits of acceleration (not just top speed), this video talks about the physics behind the fastest 0-60 runs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAvIVGGhEis

He works at it starting with tire limits during ABS braking, and throws in real-world examples like Tesla and the Dodge Demon.

He covers a bunch of other car engineering topics. For example, the Atkinson cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z45fM2N-4C4

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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This got me thinking. Once I thought it was fun , but the more I look at it, the more I feel it is utterly pointless. A racing car has a function: to get around a track faster than other cars (over a period of laps). To do this, it needs to be versatile: turning, braking, acceleration, fuel consumption, range of vision and suspension (among others) play a role. That's the true engineering challenge. It's why it has w…

The pointlessness is kind of the point, along with a bit of juvenile thrill. These cars are a display of wealth and excess. You're telling the world you can afford this much power and don't need to worry about things like utility or efficiency, and maybe you'll just keep it in a garage or drive it around a track, but still you can have a car so powerful it's almost illegal and most people can't.

idk... I've always assumed that the pointlessness is in the playfulness: extending our boundaries, setting new rules. We value the daring, the boundless, the discoverers and the challengers. And I understand we connect a certain status to that and I also understand that certain people just want to be able to buy the status without putting in the time, knowledge and risk. But for me at least, this is so remote from and unconnected to the original challenge and thrill, that it becomes idiotic: pointless without even the playfulness.

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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It's pretty impressive. In terms of a daily driver, I think the fun comes from the acceleration, and thus the torque a car can produce. My daily driver is a Mazda 3 / Mazda Axela, which comes with 200 Newtonmeter torque at 6400 rpm. It's ok, it's fun, but yeah. So the other day I drove a 2013 Nissan Leaf (BEV), which gives you ~250 Nm torque right at the beginning. This was so much fun to drive. So for me, a car does…

something that responds right to your foot is probably amazing...

Re: Bugatti has broken the 300mph barrier

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It's futile to actually have road-legal cars that go this fast because you can't do very much useful with the speed. This is much too fast for the human operator (driver) to safely react to things outside the cockpit, which is why for example Britain owns trains capable of 140mph in service but deliberately limits them to 125mph. Tests suggested drivers couldn't be relied on to reliably observe and react to a linesid…

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