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Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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>The novel is symbolic about the dependence of the West on the oil, and the power struggles to control this valuable resource. Very first paragraph, and already a turn-off.

Did you read the book?

It’s kind of hard not to at least consider the Arab and oil similarity to the fremen and spice on arrakis.

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#33

>The novel is symbolic about the dependence of the West on the oil, and the power struggles to control this valuable resource. Very first paragraph, and already a turn-off.

I mean, it's a novel about the politics of foreign powers trying to extract a valuable resource which is crucial for transportation from a desert region that is explicitly described as looking like a cross between Mexico and the Arabian Peninsula (even to the point of Arakis having date palms and saguaro cactus), so uh...

...what was a turn off? That the author felt the need to point out the glaringly obvious?

(Obviously the book explored many other themes about power, religion, culture, environmentalism, etc., plus it was a pretty good story. But you can't really pretend the Middle East and oil weren't also major themes in the book.)

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post #33

>The novel is symbolic about the dependence of the West on the oil, and the power struggles to control this valuable resource. Very first paragraph, and already a turn-off.

I mean, it's a novel about the politics of foreign powers trying to extract a valuable resource which is crucial for transportation from a desert region that is explicitly described as looking like a cross between Mexico and the Arabian Peninsula (even to the point of Arakis having date palms and saguaro cactus), so uh... ...what was a turn off? That the author felt the need to point out the glaringly obvious? (Obvio…

I can't speak for what bugged the above poster, but that sentence is worded in an incredibly awkward way.

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post #17

Not only are there Islamic themes, there are also Jewish themes. The name "Kwisatz Haderach" is based on Hebrew. (This is mentioned in the list.)

Arabic and Hebrew both have a common ancestor: proto-Semitic

There's an interesting link of correspondence between them, the letter: ش in Arabic corresponds to ש in Hebrew (and Ш in Cyrillic) having more or less the same sound.

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post #14

"dune -- the battle for arrakis" what a trip down the memory lane! it had one of the best game soundtracks ever made. command and conquer, starcraft and warcraft all came a few years later and copied everything they did right. but dune was way too iconic. okay... perhaps command and conquer came close enough. i still remember siding with the global defense initiative because the name sounded way too cool. someone oug…

Dune II was developed by Westwood Studios before C&C. Also, they made a remake of the game with C&C engine, Dune 2000. I really like it because of the different kind of grounds and the sandworms that both add tactical depths in comparison to C&C and RA.

Man I can't even describe how much I looked forward to the release of C&C and the excitement when I finally got to play it.

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's a novel about the politics of foreign powers trying to extract a valuable resource which is crucial for transportation from a desert region that is explicitly described as looking like a cross between Mexico and the Arabian Peninsula (even to the point of Arakis having date palms and saguaro cactus), so uh... ...what was a turn off? That the author felt the need to point out the glaringly obvious? (Obvio…

I can't speak for what bugged the above poster, but that sentence is worded in an incredibly awkward way.

Not really. English your first language? I’d take out the last comma and that’s it

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

#39

>The novel is symbolic about the dependence of the West on the oil, and the power struggles to control this valuable resource. Very first paragraph, and already a turn-off.

I hadn't really thought about that aspect before, but it is maybe not a coincidence that OPEC was founded in 1960 which would be around when Herbert was thinking about / researching Dune. I recently started re-reading it and IMO it still seems really fresh despite its age. A classic.
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