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He' 5'7" according to Google. Posture tends to suffer with the amount of drugs they must have been taking, so who knows?
I attended his concerts twice, both times he was well past fifty and his posture was probably better than most of the audience (as was his fitness). And it's really strange to see a thread discussing someone's height on this forum.
The Survival of Iggy Pop
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Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop
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Not sure why it’s dead, or at least the root comment. The others throwing ad hominems I get. Thanks for the great article. Sad to say I’ve read Legs’ book, and now recall Starr but never realized she was that young. Now I’m also wondering how Iggy hasn’t gotten more heat.
Don’t wonder... your answer is right here in front of you. Child rape apologists and defenders in every direction you look.
Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop
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Don’t wonder... your answer is right here in front of you. Child rape apologists and defenders in every direction you look.
I’d bet you half of them react with envy rather than disgust when hearing stories like this.
There's a lot of people that have made significant contributions to art, science, culture, etc., while being awful people, and we have a hard time reconciling that.
No one would argue that we shouldn't use any of the science advanced by Einstein, yet he manipulated and cheated on his first wife while trying to totally control her, down to giving her a list of demands she had to follow through with every day. Lots of people have beat their wives. Lots of musicians - and certainly not limited to rock musicians - have raped young teens.
Do we stop listening to the music of anyone that's turned out to be a shitty human being? Do we ever forgive them if they modify their behavior? How do we reconcile our like or love of one aspect of a person with their heinous acts? What's the moral thing to do here?
These are tough questions to answer. So it's easy to chalk this news up as 'Man those decades were just crazy! Sex, drugs, rock and roll! The girls obviously wanted it - they set out to do it!' and not think about the hard shit while still justifying to themselves why they continue to listen to the music and support the artist.
It's hard. I've thought a lot and haven't been able to answer those questions, beyond coming up with a compromise for myself - I'll keep listening to the music, but I won't do anything to support an artist further if I learn of behavior like this. No concerts, no merch, etc. It's not perfect and I'm still contributing to their finances when I stream a song on spotify or whatever, but it's one that works for me.
I do hope that it's this sort of thing that leads to the defense of the behavior, and not them actually being envious.
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Really? Cos you haven’t lived until you’ve bedded a deluded 15 year old? Spare me.
Based on my reading of the article, she was 13 when Iggy slept with her and knew that fact. That’s a bit materially different than standard rock-and-roll excess. Were age of consent laws less of a thing back in his day? Edit: Seems as though this should’ve been / is a crime?[0] [0] - http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primary...
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I’d bet you half of them react with envy rather than disgust when hearing stories like this.
I think it's more complicated than that, at least from what I've seen. There's a lot of people that have made significant contributions to art, science, culture, etc., while being awful people, and we have a hard time reconciling that. No one would argue that we shouldn't use any of the science advanced by Einstein, yet he manipulated and cheated on his first wife while trying to totally control her, down to giving h…
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I agree that parents aren't the primary beneficiaries of the power that comes from modern child abuse allegations (nor are non-connected adults). They are a critical source of that power, however. For context, I'd like to note that prior to outrage being the pregurgitated social response for child abuse, parents didn't really have any go-to reactions prepared for them. It wasn't uncommon for parents feelings of shame…
> But once child abuse could be leveraged into gobs of power, suddenly child abuse advocates were loudly everywhere. Or, alternatively, those parents (who as you rightly point out, in previous generations, didn't really have anywhere to go), and more importantly, the victims, realised that speaking out didn't come with as high a social cost as previously thought. And that when they did speak out, the many people who…
I think what is more likely is that millions of individuals who were were in terrible and desperate situations used the combined wisdom of their extended (& often wise) family and took an accurate read on their actual society.