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Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by scarface74 »

userbinator wrote: post #192
andrepd wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a certain extent, it's developers serving themselves, not the user. Your job is not to show off the latest frameworkify.js and get internet points when you blog about it. It's also not to make your life easier (like by including a 1MB js library that saves an afternoon of your time). It's to make the user 's life better. Just do your damn job! \end{rant}

Unfortunately I suspect a lot of the decisions are driven by resume-padding, which is itself a phenomenon started by management who has no idea of the implications of using $latest_web_tech beyond the fact that it's "new and modern" asking for use of the dozen latest frameworks for everything they do. If the companies hiring web devs changed their mindset and listing a dozen different frameworks on your resume was pe…

If HR departments wouldn’t set hard limits on percentage raises that are allowed and then hire new developers at market rates causing salary compression and inversion, developers wouldn’t have to be constantly on the look out for their next job and always stay focused on Resume Driven Development.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by grawprog »

ian0 wrote: post #171
pizza234 wrote: post #135

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Also, worth mentioning the insufficient formatting features. Quoting is not supported, and is quite important for forum discussions' UX.

>> Also, worth mentioning the insufficient formatting features. Quoting is not supported, and is quite important for forum discussions' UX Exactly

>Exactly

But it doesn't turn green.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by zanny »

mistersys wrote: post #139
exabrial wrote: post #17

I loathe the modern web. Speed is a secondary to "hey look what we're doing with our frameworks".

I understand where this is coming from, however whenever I interact with a app that re-loads the whole window on every major interaction, I start getting frustrated because of the jarring, slow transitions, most modern web apps are faster after the initial page load, albiet on my 15" 2018 MacBook Pro. Stop blaming the modern web. There are plenty of slow PHP and rails sites and plenty of slow React based sites. Of co…

You can have a very tiny website with custom onclicks to load / change elements via callbacks. The bloat of JS frameworks to do everything including generate the actual HTML client side is totally separate from having dynamic page content.

I always strive to keep the client side stupid. I should be sending as much of the final document as possible from the server and any interactivity needed should also produce as little work for the client as possible.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 »

FreeHugs wrote: post #85
_ps6d wrote: post #57

HN is lightweight in some ways, but also quite bad in others. For example, every single time you vote on anything, the site sends back a 302 redirect and then a copy of the entire page's HTML in response. This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped. As of right now, for me, voting on any comment in this thread currently causes a 14KB response and takes about 1.3 seconds to fini…

This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped I have Facebook open in another window and opened the network inspector to compare it: Just moving the mouse towards the like button created 824KB of data transfer. Not sure if it is because of tracking the mouse movement or if it preloads stuff it thinks my mouse is moving towards. Or maybe it loads stuff that it would display if I h…

You don't have to use the actual words "what about" in your whataboutism post.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 »

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #216
FreeHugs wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped I have Facebook open in another window and opened the network inspector to compare it: Just moving the mouse towards the like button created 824KB of data transfer. Not sure if it is because of tracking the mouse movement or if it preloads stuff it thinks my mouse is moving towards. Or maybe it loads stuff that it would display if I h…

You don't have to use the actual words "what about" in your whataboutism post.

Let's put it this way: if HN cleaned up their act, the next time "whatabout facebook?" came up, there would be a larger delta to whatabout.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by AlexDragusin »

buybackoff wrote: post #134

Right now I'm traveling in a train somewhere in Smolensk region in Russia and HN is the only site I could use normally with sporadic Edge/3G. Had exactly the same thought as in the title. Thanks HN! +1 for a dark theme though, reading from a bright screen in midnight darkness hurts eyes. Another frequent thought I have during such trips is why so few sites have any basic offline support? E.g. while writing this I mov…

I turn HN into dark mode instantly by applying the negative color filter built in on Android (I assume iOS has something similar as well). On Android the option can be found under accessibility and can also be assigned to a combination of hardware keys for quick switching.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by 18pfsmt »

lukas099 wrote: post #137
18pfsmt wrote: post #125

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> It should use 5-50 megabytes of data per page load. Mandatory min of 5MB vs. current 10KB? I'm pretty sure I'm missing the logic here. I sometimes rely on a satellite connection in my access, and I don't hold HN responsible for that fact. I do agree that no anger is merited (nor sane).

Sarcasm

Not only are we supposed to assume good faith comments on HN, reddit-type snark is looked down upon for a reason.

Per HN guidelines, 'don't talk shit you wouldn't say in person.' There is so much ridiculous rhetoric on HN these days, satire is difficult to discern.

Edit: Re-reading the original comment in its entirety, rather than focusing on numbers, I guess it's obvious satire. I naively assumed that's not the convention on HN.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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Post by adtac »

Aeolun wrote: post #193
diminoten wrote: post #121

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This, and you can get a much better mobile experience to boot, not to mention fixing dozens of errors that crop up with prolonged use of this site. Literally to post this comment, I got a, "We cannot serve requests that quickly please try again in a moment" message. Completely unnecessary in 2019, given how simple this site (as a concept) is. "I hate change" <- basically the summary of this submission, and kind of sa…

Have you ever seen a SPA redesign that actually improved the usability of the site for you?

No one said anything about SPAs. You can keep the site modern whilst still serving content in separate pages with a little JavaScript here and there. Being ideologically against any and every form of JavaScript is being pretentious and holier-than-thou.

As for concrete examples of the above, see lobste.rs for an excellent interface that's still minimal and responsive. Typing this comment on HN took me to a separate HTML page for absolutely no reason; Lobsters doesn't do that and allows you to write inline, preserving the context above.

Old Reddit (the only acceptable way to use Reddit) is another example of good JavaScript. Fuck the new redesign, but there are countless subtle and useful features in the old design that are only possible because of a tasteful use of JavaScript.

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