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Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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>gmail.com -> gmail.com (HTML version) gmail used to have an option to set HTML as default, but it seems like it's gone. Only way to get HTML is to click on a link that's available during loading, nothing in the settings to make it permanent.

After you've clicked on it, there's a bar at the top with an option to "Set basic HTML as default view"

s/there's/there was/

It's gone. That's why I'm posting about it.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

#152
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HN is lightweight in some ways, but also quite bad in others. For example, every single time you vote on anything, the site sends back a 302 redirect and then a copy of the entire page's HTML in response. This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped. As of right now, for me, voting on any comment in this thread currently causes a 14KB response and takes about 1.3 seconds to fini…

This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped I have Facebook open in another window and opened the network inspector to compare it: Just moving the mouse towards the like button created 824KB of data transfer. Not sure if it is because of tracking the mouse movement or if it preloads stuff it thinks my mouse is moving towards. Or maybe it loads stuff that it would display if I h…

Sure, of course it can be much worse, and almost all other sites are. I'm just saying that HN could do it better, because there's no need for it to send a redirect or that full-page response unless the user has JS disabled.

With JS, they could send a completely empty HTTP 200 response and it would work exactly the same (it does nothing with the response anyway). Right now HN is probably sending multiple gigabytes worth of responses to voting every day that are all just thrown away.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

#154
post #57

HN is lightweight in some ways, but also quite bad in others. For example, every single time you vote on anything, the site sends back a 302 redirect and then a copy of the entire page's HTML in response. This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped. As of right now, for me, voting on any comment in this thread currently causes a 14KB response and takes about 1.3 seconds to fini…

When reading on an iPad, tapping on links is nearly impossible. A better responsive CSS file wouldn't make the site any slower or degrade the experience for laptop users.

Hehe, I had never thought of this, but you're right. It's not just an iPad, either - it's the same on my Microsoft surface.

I got so used to pinch-to-zooming, for so many years, I guess I didn't even consider that usability flaw.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

#155
post #24

There should be an extension that automatically redirects common websites to their lite versions. reddit.com -> old.reddit.com facebook.com -> mbasic.facebook.com cnn.com -> lite.cnn.com npr.org -> text.npr.org twitter.com -> twitter.com (with JS disabled) gmail.com -> gmail.com (HTML version)

>gmail.com -> gmail.com (HTML version) gmail used to have an option to set HTML as default, but it seems like it's gone. Only way to get HTML is to click on a link that's available during loading, nothing in the settings to make it permanent.

Just use this as your bookmark: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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post #123

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>This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10KB gzipped. Dude, the time to be angry is if your sentence were: "This means that every vote results in a response that's usually around 10MB gzipped." [megabytes, not kilobytes] And: "As of right now, for me, voting on any comment in this thread currently causes a 14MB response and takes about 130 seconds to finish." Because that's the territo…

Since he's probably too modest to mention it himself, the user you're replying to is the founder of the news aggregator and forum site Tildes [1] which is pretty much the gold standard of modern forum site design imho. If anyone has the right to make this comment it's him. [1] https://tildes.net

Thanks! I'm honestly a pretty terrible designer overall and there's still a lot that's bad about Tildes's design, but it's slowly improving. There are some major changes coming soon, and hopefully those will help some more too.

Re: Tell HN: Thank you for not redesigning Hacker News

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post #24

There should be an extension that automatically redirects common websites to their lite versions. reddit.com -> old.reddit.com facebook.com -> mbasic.facebook.com cnn.com -> lite.cnn.com npr.org -> text.npr.org twitter.com -> twitter.com (with JS disabled) gmail.com -> gmail.com (HTML version)

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