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> Why do you believe it's a composite image? Because it is common to reconstruct a signal by taking multiple measurements, instead of a single sample. The field of compressed sensing broke ground on effective sampling. If (some) error is random noise, then you can remove this by majority vote. It is ineffective not to re-use that high-resolution secret drone fly-over footage, when composing satellite imagery at a lat…

Maybe mixed terminology, to me a composite pic is one where sections or entireties of several pics have been arranged to make a larger or more detailed one. What you desrcibe is different, but ISWYM. > Install road-side pointing camera's inside rented housing / contracted freedom fighter homes? Hack the traffic cams? perhaps, sounds a bit james bondish though :)

The author of James Bond, Ian Flemming, worked as a commander for British Naval Intelligence, an officer for the 30 Assault Unit, whose task it was to gather intelligence behind enemy lines. His brother worked with "stay-behind" freedom fighter networks. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ruthless

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Maybe mixed terminology, to me a composite pic is one where sections or entireties of several pics have been arranged to make a larger or more detailed one. What you desrcibe is different, but ISWYM. > Install road-side pointing camera's inside rented housing / contracted freedom fighter homes? Hack the traffic cams? perhaps, sounds a bit james bondish though :)

The author of James Bond, Ian Flemming, worked as a commander for British Naval Intelligence, an officer for the 30 Assault Unit, whose task it was to gather intelligence behind enemy lines. His brother worked with "stay-behind" freedom fighter networks. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ruthless

I did not know that.

Fair swap, graham greene was also a spay[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Greene#Travel_and_espio...

[0] typo, but I rather like that one.

Re: What a tweet tells us about spy satellites [video]

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That image is absolutely bonkers, the more I look at it, the more I admire the satellite's creators. Also, the analysis around the image is fantastic. The data and methods that they used to calculate the height of the satellite, timing of picture etc. it is a treat to see for someone sitting and seeing this unfold on the sides. I remembered this article [1], of Indian Anti-Satellite Test, India claimed satellite was…

That picture is bounced off a 2.4m mirror from nearly 400km away, calling it flawless would be an understatement!

The image has also been heavily compressed (after it was annotated), so we're looking at a very poor version of it. So yeah, bonkers is probably the best term to describe it.

Re: What a tweet tells us about spy satellites [video]

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I hold the understanding that its possible to view a license plate from space. I suggest you keep to that view in mind as well.

This is anecdotal, and no idea how real it is, but my dad flew reconnaissance for the USAF in the 70s and claimed to have the capability to read license plates way back then from very high altitude (no idea what qualified as very high altitude, but assumed they were not easily detected from the ground).

I believe the SR-71 had cameras that could resolve even more detail than license plates.

Edit: seems that I’m wrong. 6” ground resolution

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There are certainly no 20-30m telescopes in space (Also, imagine how annoyed astronomers would be if they found out the biggest most advanced space telescope in history was in space and pointing down...). I do wonder what would be possible to resolve using multiple 2.4m scopes to create a larger synthetic aperture? Resolving text on a license plate which would be at a very oblique angle (so more atmosphere) is probab…

> * imagine how annoyed astronomers would be if they found out the biggest most advanced space telescope in history was in space and pointing down* Well, rumor is that Hubble was just a repurposed spy telescope, so astronomers probably should be annoyed :)

Hubble wasn't but a pair of Key Hole satellites (KH-11) were.

https://www.americaspace.com/2012/06/06/top-secret-kh-11-spy...

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From what I understand, it was already well known that the USA could take satellite photos of things, except not at the level of quality/detail as the one shown in this image. Is that a distinction without a difference? I suppose in theory now that this information is out there regarding capabilities, you know this for sure, but would you have guessed the capability is not there if you were making a decision that fac…

Big difference between inferring and confirming and knowing

Re: What a tweet tells us about spy satellites [video]

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The resolution of this satellite is about 5-7 cm per pixel which is about the limit of what's possible with the 2.4m mirror it uses. You'd need a mirror at least 10x as large to read license plates, and that's if they were pointing upward.

There are certainly no 20-30m telescopes in space (Also, imagine how annoyed astronomers would be if they found out the biggest most advanced space telescope in history was in space and pointing down...). I do wonder what would be possible to resolve using multiple 2.4m scopes to create a larger synthetic aperture? Resolving text on a license plate which would be at a very oblique angle (so more atmosphere) is probab…

>Also, imagine how annoyed astronomers would be if they found out the biggest most advanced space telescope in history was in space and pointing down

NASA's under-development WFIRST telescope is being built using old outdated hardware that the NRO didn't want any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_Reconnaissance_O...

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> * imagine how annoyed astronomers would be if they found out the biggest most advanced space telescope in history was in space and pointing down* Well, rumor is that Hubble was just a repurposed spy telescope, so astronomers probably should be annoyed :)

But we followed the making of hubble long before it launched. Why would anyone believe such a silly rumor when the development of the telescope was in the open?

Do you not understand that if a top secret spy satellite is gifted to astronomers, a cover story - i.e. a lie - will be made up about how it is developed by brilliant civilians?

Re: What a tweet tells us about spy satellites [video]

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From what I understand, it was already well known that the USA could take satellite photos of things, except not at the level of quality/detail as the one shown in this image. Is that a distinction without a difference? I suppose in theory now that this information is out there regarding capabilities, you know this for sure, but would you have guessed the capability is not there if you were making a decision that fac…

>My guess is you would assume that this capability exists.

>If I wanted to be really good, I would assume 10x this capability exists.

The video says that the quality was already at the limit that 2.4m mirrors can achieve. The fact that the spy satellites had 2.4m mirrors was already known (from hubble design documents).

So basically if you were the baddies and were preparing for the worst case scenario (as you should), you were covered. If you got lazy and didn't, it was a wake-up call.

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