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Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by smt88 »

verylittlemeat wrote: post #33
phs318u wrote: post #30

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Really? Cos you haven’t lived until you’ve bedded a deluded 15 year old? Spare me.

>Starr’s conquests include David Bowie, Iggy Pop, and Mick Jagger just to name three. But her favorite is said to have been Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. It's illegal and morally questionable but statutory rape isn't forcibly raping someone. I know there's plenty of outrage culture in "rape is rape" but I think it's definitely a distinction worth noting.

Do you sincerely think physical force is the only way an adult man could coerce a child to have sex with him?

The whole point of statutory rape laws is to acknowledge that children are taught that adults have power over them and need to be protected from adults who abuse that power for sex.

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by paggle »

mieseratte wrote: post #24
kgwgk wrote: post #23

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More details about what? https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/01/13/sable-starr/ The Star magazine referenced in that piece is available at http://star1973.com

Not sure why it’s dead, or at least the root comment. The others throwing ad hominems I get. Thanks for the great article. Sad to say I’ve read Legs’ book, and now recall Starr but never realized she was that young. Now I’m also wondering how Iggy hasn’t gotten more heat.

Don’t wonder... your answer is right here in front of you. Child rape apologists and defenders in every direction you look.

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by clouddrover »

JoeDaDude wrote: post #16

"You pursue something with passion and dedication and they call you a punk". I remember seeing a video clip with Iggy saying something to this effect, probably on MTV, but have been able to find it online. If anyone can verify this quote by Iggy, please reply.

In this interview Iggy Pop expresses the same sentiment if not the exact quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78S0yrMLfTU

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by phs318u »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #37
mieseratte wrote: post #31

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Based on my reading of the article, she was 13 when Iggy slept with her and knew that fact. That’s a bit materially different than standard rock-and-roll excess. Were age of consent laws less of a thing back in his day? Edit: Seems as though this should’ve been / is a crime?[0] [0] - http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primary...

On reflection, most adults didn't care much about underage sex until they were able to leveraged it into public outrage - and therefore power for themselves. The proof of this lies with pre-1980s generations of child sex abuse victims, who knew (or quickly learned) to not go to adults in authority - especially police. At best, they could be expect to be ignored, marginalized and/or gaslighted. At worst could be more…

> Reality is that most adults in authority didn't give a crap about child abuse until they could use abuse allegations as a weapon.

Even if that's true about "adults in authority", doesn't make it true about adults in general, and I'd be very, very surprised if it's generally true about adults that are parents.

I also find it ironic, that some seem to see the unwarranted, power-imbalance-driven exercise of authority over other adults, as more heinous and egregious, than the unwarranted, power-imbalance-driven exercise of (sexual) authority over children.

EDIT: added a missing N and a missing comma.

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by bsenftner »

nbabitskiy wrote: post #17
girlsrule1234 wrote: post #14

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He' 5'7" according to Google. Posture tends to suffer with the amount of drugs they must have been taking, so who knows?

I attended his concerts twice, both times he was well past fifty and his posture was probably better than most of the audience (as was his fitness). And it's really strange to see a thread discussing someone's height on this forum.

I've seen him several times over the years - firs time was '87, his "original" come back tour. I lived in Boston at the time, and the afternoon before the show I happened to be at the bar the show was being held. Iggy was sitting at the bar drinking water and talking to the bartender. I got a chat very briefly with him, but being in my early 20's at the time and a huge fan, I was too intimidated to really speak to him. About 2 years later, I met him for real at a wealthy person's BBQ in Los Angeles. I got a chance to sit and speak with him, and Bowie, for hours. One of my highlights of my life.

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

phs318u wrote: post #46
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On reflection, most adults didn't care much about underage sex until they were able to leveraged it into public outrage - and therefore power for themselves. The proof of this lies with pre-1980s generations of child sex abuse victims, who knew (or quickly learned) to not go to adults in authority - especially police. At best, they could be expect to be ignored, marginalized and/or gaslighted. At worst could be more…

> Reality is that most adults in authority didn't give a crap about child abuse until they could use abuse allegations as a weapon. Even if that's true about "adults in authority", doesn't make it true about adults in general, and I'd be very, very surprised if it's generally true about adults that are parents. I also find it ironic, that some seem to see the unwarranted, power-imbalance-driven exercise of authority…

I agree that parents aren't the primary beneficiaries of the power that comes from modern child abuse allegations (nor are non-connected adults). They are a critical source of that power, however.

For context, I'd like to note that prior to outrage being the pregurgitated social response for child abuse, parents didn't really have any go-to reactions prepared for them.

It wasn't uncommon for parents feelings of shame and confusion to push them toward quarantining their child (exasperating that child's sense of isolation and fault). It certainly wasn't standard was for parents to seek justice for the perpetrator.

My 20th century American experience is that authority wasn't there to advocate for children who've been mistreated. Most egregiously, police - who society specifically entrusted with the responsibility of stopping child abuse - weren't known as people that abused children could reach out to for protection. If they had been, child abuse scandals wouldn't have progressed far beyond the original victim.

But once child abuse could be leveraged into gobs of power, suddenly child abuse advocates were loudly everywhere.

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by phs318u »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #48
phs318u wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reality is that most adults in authority didn't give a crap about child abuse until they could use abuse allegations as a weapon. Even if that's true about "adults in authority", doesn't make it true about adults in general, and I'd be very, very surprised if it's generally true about adults that are parents. I also find it ironic, that some seem to see the unwarranted, power-imbalance-driven exercise of authority…

I agree that parents aren't the primary beneficiaries of the power that comes from modern child abuse allegations (nor are non-connected adults). They are a critical source of that power, however. For context, I'd like to note that prior to outrage being the pregurgitated social response for child abuse, parents didn't really have any go-to reactions prepared for them. It wasn't uncommon for parents feelings of shame…

> But once child abuse could be leveraged into gobs of power, suddenly child abuse advocates were loudly everywhere.

Or, alternatively, those parents (who as you rightly point out, in previous generations, didn't really have anywhere to go), and more importantly, the victims, realised that speaking out didn't come with as high a social cost as previously thought. And that when they did speak out, the many people who would have had little, if any, exposure to this kind of thing, were horrified at the detail.

I'd also add, that in the past, many "beat cops" would have been at a loss as to how to deal with these issues. Of all crimes reported, police apparently hated "domestics" the most, as there was no clear guidelines for them to follow.

It's very easy for people to ascribe other causes to these things when you have little experience with kids, and no experience with abuse. Not everything is a deep-state ploy to entrench power and control.

EDITED: their > there. And a bunch of other grammatical errors. Seriously, why do I always spot a mistake after I've hit submit?

Re: The Survival of Iggy Pop

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Post by bsenftner »

UncleSlacky wrote: post #32

Too bad he sold out to do car insurance ads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlRjYlsC3bc

This "selling out" nonsense... attempting a career in art/music is by definition "selling out". Only rock n roll snobby gatekeepers have this attitude; in the rest of the world it's called "getting paid". Hip hop celebrates Getting Paid to the point of mocking the "selling out attitude" of rock n roll.
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