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The “mail is hard” myth

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Re: The “mail is hard” myth

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To this day none of the mail servers I’ve setup can send to verizon.net.

It’s not “hard”, but there are servers who will not accept a single message from you, rDNS, DKIM/SPF be damned. And there’s fuck-all you can do about it.

Re: The “mail is hard” myth

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It's not 'hard', it's 'a gigantic pain in the ass' which is (in normal word use) one form of 'hard'. Which is why most sane people stopped doing it themselves say 15 years ago. Especially for the few cents you can get professional 3rd party email hosting for.

Edit: I also very much like the disingenuity of articles saying 'X isnt' hard! Just execute these 20 commands!' Duh, executing those commands isn't the problem, it's knowing which commands to execute, and the pain of having to figure out the new commands to execute 4 months later when for some reason something broke and now 20 people are twiddling their thumbs until you fix it. Screw that, running email servers is a horrible tedious pain in the ass you should almost never do yourself unless it's the sort of thing you enjoy (I've run Postfix, Qmail and Exchange servers from the mid 1990's until mid 2000's).

Re: The “mail is hard” myth

#5

Lasting long against HN-mainpage-level load. That's what's hard.

It looks to be a static site generator. It's surprisingly easy to weather that storm with a simple web server + static sites, it's dynamic sites using Wordpress etc. that have the most trouble.

Re: The “mail is hard” myth

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post #3

To this day none of the mail servers I’ve setup can send to verizon.net. It’s not “hard”, but there are servers who will not accept a single message from you, rDNS, DKIM/SPF be damned. And there’s fuck-all you can do about it.

Tell their users "I'm sorry, but there is nothing we can do to send you the mail - please complain to Verizon."

If enough users complain, they might change their policies. Ehh, wait, we talk about Verizon here.

Don't bother.

Re: The “mail is hard” myth

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post #5

Lasting long against HN-mainpage-level load. That's what's hard.

It looks to be a static site generator. It's surprisingly easy to weather that storm with a simple web server + static sites, it's dynamic sites using Wordpress etc. that have the most trouble.

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Re: The “mail is hard” myth

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> but my mails will not reach my users at Big Mailer Corps

Unfortunately this is not a myth. rDNS/DKIM/SPF/not in any greylists, but mail from you goes to Junk folder on GMail®, experienced that myself.

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