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The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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Slightly off topic, but I feel like when people talk of STEM as a lucrative field of study, they tend to imply CS. Non-CS STEM field hardly have a shortage of qualified and talented people. In fact, there's probably a oversupply compared to job prospects in non-CS STEM fields. I see so many talented Math/Physics majors end up switching to CS and do mundane software engineering work.

It's much worse in life-sciences where PhDs are washing pipettes or feeding mice.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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There is no such thing as a "STEM job". There are computer science jobs and marine biology jobs, both under the rubric of STEM, but the skill sets are not fungible and the employment prospects are wildly different. We can simultaneously produce more STEM graduates than jobs and have a shortage of workers for STEM jobs.

The most popular STEM degree by a large margin is psychology, many more than all engineering disciplines combined. That psychology majors can't find work implies little about the demand for engineers.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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Note that this piece is from 2013. I think that should be indicated parenthetically in the title.

It was a myth much longer ago than 2013 yet the article is no less valid today. In fact with the rise of bootcamps and so on it has gotten even worse in software particularly. There should be laws against bootcamps ripping off hopefuls with false promises.

What’s wrong with bootcamps? I know a few success stories, and I firmly believe that if somebody wants to learn programming, it is doable almost for everyone. It is hard, like learning a foreign language, but as nearly everybody can learn e.g. Spanish, so nearly everybody can learn how to program.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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Slightly off topic, but I feel like when people talk of STEM as a lucrative field of study, they tend to imply CS. Non-CS STEM field hardly have a shortage of qualified and talented people. In fact, there's probably a oversupply compared to job prospects in non-CS STEM fields. I see so many talented Math/Physics majors end up switching to CS and do mundane software engineering work.

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Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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Note that this piece is from 2013. I think that should be indicated parenthetically in the title.

It was a myth much longer ago than 2013 yet the article is no less valid today. In fact with the rise of bootcamps and so on it has gotten even worse in software particularly. There should be laws against bootcamps ripping off hopefuls with false promises.

What false promises? Many of them graduate and are getting real jobs. One of the fastest growing new boot camps even lets people attend for free and makes back their money as a percentage of future salaries earned. Nothing could be further from ripping students off with false promises of jobs.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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There is no such thing as a "STEM job". There are computer science jobs and marine biology jobs, both under the rubric of STEM, but the skill sets are not fungible and the employment prospects are wildly different. We can simultaneously produce more STEM graduates than jobs and have a shortage of workers for STEM jobs. The most popular STEM degree by a large margin is psychology, many more than all engineering discip…

I don't think psychology is typically considered STEM.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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post #11

Slightly off topic, but I feel like when people talk of STEM as a lucrative field of study, they tend to imply CS. Non-CS STEM field hardly have a shortage of qualified and talented people. In fact, there's probably a oversupply compared to job prospects in non-CS STEM fields. I see so many talented Math/Physics majors end up switching to CS and do mundane software engineering work.

It's much worse in life-sciences where PhDs are washing pipettes or feeding mice.

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Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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There is no such thing as a "STEM job". There are computer science jobs and marine biology jobs, both under the rubric of STEM, but the skill sets are not fungible and the employment prospects are wildly different. We can simultaneously produce more STEM graduates than jobs and have a shortage of workers for STEM jobs. The most popular STEM degree by a large margin is psychology, many more than all engineering discip…

I don't think psychology is typically considered STEM.

According to the article, it is by the NSF and not by the commerce department.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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The local schools here now call it STEAM, include in "Arts" and now say:

>"It will include subjects like history, social studies, and language arts, all of which are vital facets of a STEAM curriculum."

and now STEM has no meaning anymore (if it ever did).

These are all fine subjects, but they miss the point of the push for STEM that was based on the theory that Americans are falling behind in Math, Science, and Engineering and we need these to be competitive.

Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)

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Slightly off topic, but I feel like when people talk of STEM as a lucrative field of study, they tend to imply CS. Non-CS STEM field hardly have a shortage of qualified and talented people. In fact, there's probably a oversupply compared to job prospects in non-CS STEM fields. I see so many talented Math/Physics majors end up switching to CS and do mundane software engineering work.

Engineering, too. Electrical and Mechanical specifically. And Biotech.
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