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Apple to Deprecate Scripting Languages in Future Versions of macOS

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Re: Apple to Deprecate Scripting Languages in Future Versions of macOS

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Post by crocbuzz »

cstross wrote: post #2

About bloody time! Apple don't keep their scripting languages updated. For example, macOS Mojave 10.14.6 ships with perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) in /usr/bin/perl; but my homebrew setup provides perl 5, version 30, subversion 0 (v5.30.0). (And for those who don't know perl, it's been semi-permanently pinned at "perl 5" as a major version number for about 20 years due to the existence of perl 6, which is…

To be fair, Mojave comes pre-installed with the latest release of Python and PHP.

Re: Apple to Deprecate Scripting Languages in Future Versions of macOS

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Post by jakobegger »

polpo wrote: post #6
martius wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, basically this news means "Ruby, python and Perl may not be preinstallled, install them yourself". It's not a big deal for users of Homebrew or other package managers.

It’s a big deal for Homebrew, which is written in Ruby and uses the version shipped with macOS to install itself.

I think that telling users to execute a shell command to install software is not the smartest idea in any case (eg. no way to verify signatures of installed software)

A standard installer package would be much better.

Re: Apple to Deprecate Scripting Languages in Future Versions of macOS

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Post by hpcjoe »

cstross wrote: post #2

About bloody time! Apple don't keep their scripting languages updated. For example, macOS Mojave 10.14.6 ships with perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) in /usr/bin/perl; but my homebrew setup provides perl 5, version 30, subversion 0 (v5.30.0). (And for those who don't know perl, it's been semi-permanently pinned at "perl 5" as a major version number for about 20 years due to the existence of perl 6, which is…

I generally set up my own toolchain, with up to date versions of Perl 5, Python, Julia, R, Octave. I've found the system distro installed tooling to be too ancient for productive use.

While this doesn't bother me much per se, the issue I see as looming is what I've experienced on a few platforms. Where their "protection" mechanisms effectively prevent you from building the code you need to function effectively.

I usually test each (new) platform by taking my code and trying to build it. If the platform is important to what I do, I'll spend some time making sure it builds correctly, and passes regression testing.

WSL in Windows 10, albeit running on a kvm on my linux laptop, does not pass muster as a system worth targeting for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that the environment breaks the regression testing.

My concern is that MacOS gets to that point. Its getting close, as I have to specifically allow perl/python/julia/jupyter to open ports. I suspect that soon MacOS will disable this capability.

I already run Linux everywhere, MacOS is just what the corporate folks indicate is an acceptable alternative to Windows 10, which doesn't work for me. Once MacOS doesn't work, it will be far easier to argue for corporate issued Linux laptops.

Alienating DevOps, developers, hpc/ai folks ... not really a good idea. But hey, Apple does Apple, so why not.

[Edited for grammar]

Re: Apple to Deprecate Scripting Languages in Future Versions of macOS

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Post by hpcjoe »

ohmybrew wrote: post #8
cstross wrote: post #2

About bloody time! Apple don't keep their scripting languages updated. For example, macOS Mojave 10.14.6 ships with perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) in /usr/bin/perl; but my homebrew setup provides perl 5, version 30, subversion 0 (v5.30.0). (And for those who don't know perl, it's been semi-permanently pinned at "perl 5" as a major version number for about 20 years due to the existence of perl 6, which is…

Do you use Perl a lot? I haven't used it extensively since probably 2004.

I use it daily. Have done so since early 90s.

Re: Apple to Deprecate Scripting Languages in Future Versions of macOS

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Post by tazard »

crocbuzz wrote: post #22
cstross wrote: post #2

About bloody time! Apple don't keep their scripting languages updated. For example, macOS Mojave 10.14.6 ships with perl 5, version 18, subversion 4 (v5.18.4) in /usr/bin/perl; but my homebrew setup provides perl 5, version 30, subversion 0 (v5.30.0). (And for those who don't know perl, it's been semi-permanently pinned at "perl 5" as a major version number for about 20 years due to the existence of perl 6, which is…

To be fair, Mojave comes pre-installed with the latest release of Python and PHP.

Mine came with python 2.7 and php 7.1 not exactly the latest releases.
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