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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by seiferteric »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #187
seiferteric wrote: post #136

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It's really not about that. The US was founded by a revolution that required guns. The founders wanted to make sure the same thing could happen again if needed. The second amendment isn't about personal protection, it is about the right to overthrow a government (ours or an invading one) if necessary. You can argue that times have changed or whatever but that was clearly the intention and it hasn't changed much.

I understand that. My point is that "if needed" is a pretty squishy phrase, and if you asked different groups of US citizens what that entails you'd get wildly divergent results. For example, I would say if we keep going along our path of putting people in camps, that is worthy of rising up — but there are other people who think that's a good thing and we should keep going. There are also certain demographics that ar…

Isn't that what happened during the revolution? A critical mass of people decided it was necessary and eventually succeeded? Then during the civil war some other people tried and failed (luckily). And of course there have been smaller failed uprisings and rebellions in the past as well. Not really sure what your point is, we will never reach a time when everyone agrees, life is messy.

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Post by dpkonofa »

siruncledrew wrote: post #191
dpkonofa wrote: post #72

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>It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Sure you can. Stop watching it. Tell your friends to stop watching it and why . The media nowadays is all about going over the top and sensationalizing things because that's what gets the eyeballs on the screens and that's where the advertisements get them money. Hurt their wallets and they'll stop.

The sentiment of exercising personal willpower to not do something is admirable, but if the "Just Say No" approach actually worked like in theory, then we wouldn't have these opioid epidemics either.

I'm not saying "Just Say No". I'm saying do everything in your power to hurt them in their wallets. These giant media corporations don't care about anything else except what makes them money.

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Post by dpkonofa »

avgDev wrote: post #114
dpkonofa wrote: post #72

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>It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Sure you can. Stop watching it. Tell your friends to stop watching it and why . The media nowadays is all about going over the top and sensationalizing things because that's what gets the eyeballs on the screens and that's where the advertisements get them money. Hurt their wallets and they'll stop.

This will never work IMO. Media has done the work, the work is based on science. Some people are turned off by current news media but they know more eye balls will tune in if it is over the top. These companies are exploiting human nature. We cannot hurt their wallets because generally people don't care. Maybe eventually humans will change. However, once they notice different trends they will adopt. They don't care e…

This is exactly my point. The only way this will change is when it's profitable to do the right thing.

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Post by lukewrites »

mieseratte wrote: post #40
TheArcane wrote: post #20

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> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines. Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom. The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine. As simple as that.

I’m reading the book Loaded, which makes a pretty convincing argument that the reason for the amendment was to quell worries that the colonists would be in any way impeded in grabbing land from the native people by force.

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Post by viklove »

lallysingh wrote: post #15
pgrote wrote: post #6

"When researchers analyzed the data by sex, they found the increase in the suicide rate was primarily driven by significant increases in suicide in young males. While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." I have watched the series. I wonder why males saw a significant increase in suicides if the show revolved around a female suicide. And, yes, I…

IIRC males tend to be more successful in their attempts. So the women may have tried more but not successfully enough to tip the scales.

Yes, and sometimes individuals "attempt" suicide not actually to end their own lives, but just as a call for attention or help. One thing can be sure though: the ones shooting themselves aren't in this camp.

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Post by sdinsn »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #209
sdinsn wrote: post #190

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Women are much less likely to own guns.

Are they less likely to live in households where there are guns? Men are what, 10x more successful in suicide attempts? It's quite the discrepancy.

Male gun ownership is 62% while female is 22%.

Male suicide rate is somewhere between 3 to 5 times higher than female suicide rate in the US. Globally, males are ~2x more likely.

Note that women are also ~20% more likely to see health professionals.

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Post by azinman2 »

umvi wrote: post #160
azinman2 wrote: post #71

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People say that about address mental illness, etc, but what to me is profound about this is that the mere suggestion/glorification increased rates. There will always be impressionable people out there in some kind of state... you can’t fundamentally eliminate sadness in the world. And certainly you can’t eliminate teenage angst, which is likely the real culprit here. We need some level of balance here.. unlimited gun…

> And certainly you can’t eliminate teenage angst, which is likely the real culprit here. So why weren't teenagers in the 60s shooting up crowded places with full-auto machine guns (they were fully legal and accessible back then)?

A lot were, they were just in Vietnam and not the US.

It’s certainly not the case that they had more access to mental health.

Hence back to the media part. Society / culture changes... 60s was a wave of anti-violence by youth. That likely had carry over effects. What was on TV and the methods of consuming information was totally different. You also didn’t have so much contradictory (dis)information going around.

Given where we’re at, something needs to give or we’ll just continue to spiral. This report is a great micro-example of how environmental stimulus affects drastic action.

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

lutorm wrote: post #201
mjfl wrote: post #46

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It’s an enshrinement of values - America puts more value on the protection of the individual from society than the protection of society from an individual.

* America puts more value on the protection of the individual from society than the protection of society from an individual.* That's not true, though. U.S. laws and their enforcement are extremely punitive compared to most other western countries. It seems the values are very specifically centered around the right to own guns, not around protecting individuals from society in general.

> That's not true, though. U.S. laws and their enforcement are extremely punitive compared to most other western countries.

That's not true, though. The US is a lot less punitive regarding cars compared to most other western countries.

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Post by filoleg »

yifanl wrote: post #195
Spivak wrote: post #138

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Because if your goal is to prevent mass killings then you have to take into account that a vehicle is a viable substitute for a gun. I'm in favor of gun control but I don't think it's clear whether it would actually make it meaningfully harder for people who want to kill lots of people indiscriminately-ish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle-ramming_attack#List_of...

The question (as I read it) is "does human life have more value than the freedoms afforded to us by constitutional decree?" I'm personally struggling to find an answer either way, but I'd at least disagree that we can't weigh the text of a constitution against modern research. That said, there's certainly another conversation over whether we should consider how valuable human life is compared to the conveniences mode…

>The question (as I read it) is "does human life have more value than the freedoms afforded to us by constitutional decree?"

I disagree with this formulation of the question. It isn't either or. For a lot of people, that "freedom afforded to us by constitutional degree" is what allows to protect the value of their own human life in the case of an immediate danger, as well as that of people close to them.

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #150
mieseratte wrote: post #122

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> It will always be weird to me that threatening to murder other citizens for some vague, ill-defined hypothetical transgression is a mainstream, mostly accepted political viewpoint here in the US. It's weird to me that advocating for the cessation of an absolute right to self-defense is a mainstream political position. It's not as if history is one peachy peace-and-love orgy.

Let me clarify: the reason that viewpoint is weird to me is that it's essentially political terrorism. A small minority of citizens are essentially saying "we want the law to be this way, and if it isn't, we will murder you ". But for some reason we've collectively decided that no, it's actually normal for people to dictate the law under threat of violence. The other side here is basically just people supporting and…

"A small minority of citizens are essentially saying "we want the law to be this way, and if it isn't, we will murder you". But for some reason we've collectively decided that no, it's actually normal for people to dictate the law under threat of violence."

On the other hand, the moral majority can make the law and then murder people who don't follow it. This is called "democracy working normally".

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