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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by bluedino »

ericmcer wrote: post #52
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

Definitely a controversial viewpoint currently. Forget assault rifles, an individual could own a machine gun well into the 70s but mass shootings were unheard of back then. I am for gun control but the underlying issues are being ignored if we treat it like the root of the problem.

You can own a machine gun today - they just cost as much as a car.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by [deleted] »

mattmanser wrote: post #154
duxup wrote: post #48

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NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

Why shouldn't it be legally restricted? You're forced to wear seatbelts for safety reasons, why shouldn't you be forced to keep killers anonymous.

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by 4ntonius8lock »

aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

You are absolutely right they glamorized suicide.

But doesn't all media do that for the most part? I mean, most people are looking for escapism.

It's particularly galling that they do it with suicide, but it's what people want:

1- Movies/TV glamorizes violence from gangsters/mob/police/army... or they demonize it.

2- Movies glamorize drinking/smoking/taking drugs... or they demonize it.

3- Movies glamorize casual sex/strip clubs... or they demonize it.

4- Movies glamorize college... or they demonize it.

5- Movies glamorize having money... or they demonize it.

6- Movies glamorize 'justice' (criminal justice, etc)

I think the series is an insult to everyone who has been exposed to a suicide in their life, but I think that applies to many points. The guy who spent 15 years in jail falsely convicted won't appreciate the BS that is CSI. Just like the guy who is a recovering alcoholic, the ex-stripper, the person who lived real life violence like war, etc.

Whenever something bothers me, and this series bothers me plenty, I look within and why it bothers me. Why other things that might be similar don't. It really helps me understand our shared humanity.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by appleshore »

aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

People underestimate the prevalence of random suicidal thoughts. A lot is probably intrusive thoughts or just life frustrations pushed into a form.

People should be taught to be skeptical of bad thoughts and understand how chaotic the brain can act. Otherwise random thoughts can materialize into fixations and be re-enforced by biases.

Life is hard, it occasionally gets you down but thinking bad thoughts doesn’t make you “sick”, it just makes you human.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by munk-a »

umvi wrote: post #10
aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

> Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people.

The US is an extreme outlier in terms of gun homicide in the first world, is the assumption that every country except the US has solved lonely/sad/broken people?

The second amendment (the full reading of it) doesn't give carte blanch coverage to own firearms and the US populace agrees that, for instance, inmates in prison and domestic abusers shouldn't be given firearms. There are sane ways to limit the second amendment.

Defenders of the second amendment often say it's an opposition to tyranny, but I fail to see how a hand-gun will help to protect you against an Abrams wielded by a tyrannous government - or should tanks, jets and battleships be objects that private citizens should be able to purchase and own for self-defense?

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by yesplorer »

csharpminor wrote: post #128
duxup wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like. They like videos of chaos and screaming. They like their photo shown. They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc. They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting). I n…

Could you link to a source? This is interesting to me but I'd like to know more about their method for arriving at those conclusions. I wasn't able to find the article/study you're referencing.

There's a research PDF as well I'm unable to link to because the file opens directly on my phone. But if you Google "On the media mass shooting", a link to ifa.org might come up.

I googled that query because I remember hearing it from the On the media podcast.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by sigstoat »

ggreer wrote: post #117
sigstoat wrote: post #107

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> I don't know how many ways they carved up the data before they found a segment of the population with increased suicide rate at the right time. and they still reported 9 different categorizations (overall/male/female * 3 age groups), and could only find one with a change. it isn't clear to me if they corrected for the multiple comparisons they did report.

Right, but that doesn't tell me how many other ways they carved the data up and didn't report it in the paper. Maybe they initially chose different age groups (10-22, 23-50, >50) and found no effect. Then they tweaked the categories and tada, controversial paper!

> Right, but that doesn't tell me how many other ways they carved the data up and didn't report it in the paper.

i understand that and i don't believe i contradicted you, rather i was emphasizing: they _admitted_ to 9 different carvings and only got 1 interesting one. what they did under the hood had to be even worse!

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by mirimir »

umvi wrote: post #74
irrational wrote: post #49

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I thought it had to do with the British saying the colonists shouldn't have weapons that could help the colonists revolt against their government. So the constitution says that the people should have access to the weapons they need to overthrow the government if needed. Of course, the constitution writers didn't envision the government having tanks, airplanes, nuclear missiles, etc. that make it practically impossibl…

> that make it practically impossible for modern citizens to overthrow a corrupt government. Some of the citizens overthrowing the government would be in the military, though, no? Since the military is made up of normal people that live among civilians. It's more likely the military would split into factions, with the revolutionaries gaining control of a sizable chunk of tanks, airplanes, etc. Or maybe the military w…

Right, there are National Guard units, and armories, everywhere. Some of those would probably side with revolutionaries. And then there are police forces of large cities, which wield serious firepower.

It'd be a mess.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by dole »

Spivak wrote: post #108
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #85

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50% of suicide in the USA are via firearms, 2.4% are by falling (off bridges or other structures). Focusing on lowering the 2.4% number is not going to be as effective as focusing on the 50% one. https://www.sprc.org/means-suicide It turns out more willpower/commitment is needed to jump off a bridge than pull a trigger. The same with stabbing or suffocating yourself. Yes, someone with lots of willpower/commitment wil…

Because suicide via firearms is the painless route. If you were going to kill yourself why wouldn't you do it with a gun. You have to be prepared for legislation like this only slightly decrease the number of suicides but drastically increase the suffering of the people that do.

Compared to other methods, it leaves a relative mess, you can easily screw it up, you're conscious for it...

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by dundercoder »

kazinator wrote: post #111
kortilla wrote: post #73

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So does access to knives, chemicals and high places.

Suicide by firearm is (or can be) certain and instant. People who would not be able to stick a knife into themselves fatally, or dare to jump off a high place, are nevertheless capable of shooting themselves.

I think the risk of failure being lower for firearms is exactly the draw. But failure is still a possibility.

I had a friend who unsuccessfully attempted suicide by a pistol in the mouth. He ended up with a hole in his nose. Having only brought one bullet with him, was in enough pain to get treatment. He still wears a small bandaid on the side of his nose, but he’s in a stable place now.

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