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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by Mikeb85 »

adrianN wrote: post #27
Mikeb85 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Males commit suicide more, in general (in western countries). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide Edit - as for why there were more male suicides linked to this show, one reason for male suicides in western countries is the increasing marginalisation of men (whereas in countries with more female suicides or a more equal ratio, women are highly marginalised). If the show glorifies suicide as a…

Men are more successful, but women try more often.

'Try'.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by tastygreenapple »

TheArcane wrote: post #20
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

I've always wondered about the constitutional validity of saying we can't profile the 13% of people who commit 50% of the violent crime, but luckily some folks smarter than us thought this all and bound us to the good thinking they enshrined in the constitution.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by rhcom2 »

umvi wrote: post #10
aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

We know for a fact access to firearms increases the chance of a successful suicide. That suggests a clear change that could help save lives and limits to the 2nd Amendment have already been settled as constitutional.

"Focus on helping/loving them" is not a policy change, to me it's nothing but "thoughts and prayers". Rhetoric that might make us feel better but will help nothing.

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Post by [deleted] »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by mjfl »

TheArcane wrote: post #20
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

It’s an enshrinement of values - America puts more value on the protection of the individual from society than the protection of society from an individual.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by duxup »

aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

NPR did a good story on a study that examined what shooters DO and DO NOT like.

They like videos of chaos and screaming.

They like their photo shown.

They don't like stories about the victims that make the victims seem like they're human. What they were doing before the shootings, things they did with their lives, etc.

They don't like stories about the community itself that aren't just about the event (shooting).

I noticed NPR does a lot of stories about the the victims.

Nothing should be legally restricted, but I think news orgs can do their job 100% and still participate in a potentially helpful manner. To be clear there is no science that says doing any of these things reduce any amount of shooting or such, but it seems like a reasonable theory that if they see shootings result in coverage they don't like, it might discourage them if they think they won't get what they want.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by irrational »

TheArcane wrote: post #20
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

I thought it had to do with the British saying the colonists shouldn't have weapons that could help the colonists revolt against their government. So the constitution says that the people should have access to the weapons they need to overthrow the government if needed. Of course, the constitution writers didn't envision the government having tanks, airplanes, nuclear missiles, etc. that make it practically impossible for modern citizens to overthrow a corrupt government.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by roywiggins »

Havoc wrote: post #26

This must be brutal for the producers & actors. I'd be crushed.

Netflix was told over and over that it would be prudent to remove the most graphic scene, and it refused to... for two years. Until they did.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/16/20696151/13-reasons-why-n...

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