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Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by tikhonj »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

This is a recurring issue because "significant" means very different things in different contexts. The first sentence reads as "rates increased, but in a way that is not distinguishable from noise", while the second reads as "rates increased, but not to an extent that matters".

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Post by roywiggins »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

They observed an increase, but the statistical test they used couldn't distinguish it from noise with sufficient confidence to call it "statistically significant."

Statistical significance and a significant increase aren't the same. A statistically significant increase might be totally insignificant, and for a small enough study, a subjectively "significant" increase might be statistically insignificant.

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Post by clircle »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

Because those statements are not equivalent.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by aaomidi »

pm90 wrote: post #8
aphextim wrote: post #2

Same reason that when they show the shooter's face all over the media and they give them tons and tons of attention, it typically spawns more copycats who are just lonely/sad/broken teens looking for the same attention. In the show, this teen's suicide was portrayed to have had an impact on many students/families/teachers etc for a very long time after the incident. It almost glorified the suicide and the methods of…

Makes sense. But how do we address it? It’s not like we can stop the media from reporting on such things. Perhaps the show could have been rated for adults only? It seems like teens today do face challenges that weren’t faced by my generation or the ones before that. Social media, internet enabled always on devices seem to have changed the experience of being a teenager. Perhaps there are deeper issues at stake that…

Back when hollywood was facing censorship they realized they need to self censor or stats like this will be used against them.

This is an example of where Netflix acted without thinking what impacts a show like this will have. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and this was on Netflix to resolve.

The first step in this case would be to take it down from Netflix. Or they're going to face people calling for it to be taken down through the state.

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Post by gitpusher »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

The former version is more specific and therefore accurate.

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Post by acchow »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

These mean different things.

You can have a 1% increase (which is not a "significant" increase) but with a large enough sample size you can be quite confident in it (statistically significant).

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Post by [deleted] »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

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Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by lazugod »

tikhonj wrote: post #31
kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #16

Potentially OT. Why do people write >"While suicide rates for females increased after the show’s release, the increase was not statistically significant." instead of >"Suicide rates for females did not increase significantly after the show's release." ? I have seen this quite often and it always seems a bit misleading to me. Edit: I should have written the 2nd version as "No statistically significant increase in [...…

This is a recurring issue because "significant" means very different things in different contexts. The first sentence reads as "rates increased, but in a way that is not distinguishable from noise", while the second reads as "rates increased, but not to an extent that matters".

The second reads as though there wasn’t even an insignificant increase, which is very different.

Re: Release of “13 Reasons Why” Associated with Increase in Youth Suicide Rates

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Post by mieseratte »

TheArcane wrote: post #20
umvi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scary thing is that both this article and the example you cited are used as reasons to limit constitutional freedoms: Limit second amendment more to prevent mass shootings. Limit first amendment more to prevent suicides. Really though, we should be focusing on the root cause: lonely/sad/broken people. Focus on helping/loving them and I bet suicide/mass shooting rates drop significantly.

> Limit second amendment more to prevent more shootings. I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

> I've always wondered the validity of a "constitutional freedom" that allows random everyday people to own and operate tools that are essentially killing machines.

Not sure why you put quotes around constitutional freedom.

The reason for the amendment is such that when someone or someones come along and attempt to abridge your rights you can kill them with the killing machine.

As simple as that.

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