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Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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Is there a package to convert all Internet ads to simple console messages? I would be down with that package.

This idea seems right up there with "gee wiz, wouldn't it be neat to invent neurotoxic poison gas?" We don't need this. This would not make the world a more pleasant place to be.

Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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I’m surprised Feross was the catalyst here. From his Youtube Instant days always struck me as the type who appreciated and championed FOSS. Seems he decided that the F in FOSS might be, erm, “reinterpreted,” much the way the notion of “free” has been by modern web companies.

I'm actually curious: what exactly does the "F" mean to you?

Thanks for engaging me on this, genuinely appreciate it amidst the torrent of downvotes (would be interested to hear more of the opinions of those who downvoted me).

Yeah, good question and something I've been wrestling with a lot myself. I used to think "free" meant monetarily free, but lately (in the last few years, call it aging, I dunno), I've started to subscribe to the notion of "free" as championed by the Free Software Foundation. Here's a good quote that lack's context, but gives a good idea of what my thoughts are

"The free software movement campaigns for freedom for the users of computing; it is a movement for freedom and justice."

Link here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point....

Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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Doing open source without utilising the the code in some form of paid product is a foolish thing to do. Essentially making someone else rich for free because Software-As-A-Service is seen as the morally superior method of generating revenue. I'm sure we'll be reading many articles about some open source developer building some critical tool or library utilised by half the world. Only to live near the poverty line. Wh…

>I'm sure we'll be reading many articles about some open source developer building some critical tool or library utilised by half the world. Only to live near the poverty line.

Sounds a bit like the Paul Le Roux story if you stop before the organised crime part.

Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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I know it's not a npm package, but would the donation message for kids in Uganda when you started vim be considered no bueno with these rules? I guess it's not an ad technically

Same deal for Sidekiq, a very popular job worker library in the Ruby world. On startup, if you don't have a commercial license, it advertises the availability of one:

    Upgrade to Sidekiq Pro for more features and support: http://sidekiq.org
I personally have no problem with this and I think the npm ruling is a bit too restrictive.

Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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OK and quite right, but how do we actually ensure funding for the stuff that needs it? It seems odd to me that people won't cough up even small amounts to support what F/OSS they rely on, but will pay for closed source stuff.

How many people actually rely on standard? I'm not talking about downloads, I'm talking about active users.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree with his problem statement that OSS developers need payment. I think that paying people for valuable work is a good thing. But I don’t think there is a problem with this as evidenced by 50 years of great OSS software written by professional and amateur developers. Saying I spent 4000 hours on a project without pay is not enough info to be useful to determine that I need payment. I volunteer time to lots…

Charity? People make money off libraries. It's such a ridiculous attitude to read on a news site hosted by a Venture Capitalist firm.

Well the whole point is to /not/ be "permission culture" shutting things down because someone doesn't get their cut in something which never existed before.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't heard of Tidelift before until recently, and I don't see it mentioned here in the discussion. Is this the kind of thing you'd like to see? https://tidelift.com/ Something has to be done to ensure that Open Source which plays a vital role in our business ecosystems remains sustainable. There are real business implications if some package we all depend on is under-funded and implodes (we can all name well-know…

OSS is sustainable. I don’t like how tidelift seems to present a partial story. If there some OSS crisis that I’m not aware of? Separately, just because something is an approach doesn’t mean it’s worth talking about.

If there some OSS crisis that I’m not aware of?

I think there might be.

I'm not involved in OSS circles, and don't really pay attention to the issues much beyond what I see on HN, but recently in a survey I completed for a tech company there were a number of questions asking my opinion on whether OSS is still a sustainable model, and if I believed it would be around 5, 10, 15, 20 years in the future.

Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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While I don't particularly like the idea of stuffing ads into npm logs, I don't have the same visceral negative reaction that many people have in these HN threads on this topic. The overwhelming majority of the people complaining about this are well-paid tech workers writing code for well-funded companies that profit off of open source code without providing any reciprocal value to the open source projects in return.…

Adware is malware, categorically. I don't give a damn if it's open source. If being adware is the only way software can exist, I'd rather it not exist at all. When those redditor called it sleazy, they were being too gentle.

> Adware is malware

This seems like an overreaction. Are HN ads (those links to YC company jobs) malware? According to feross, the ads were just static hardcoded messages. I find it distasteful, but I don't see how it's "malware".

Re: NPM Bans Terminal Ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't heard of Tidelift before until recently, and I don't see it mentioned here in the discussion. Is this the kind of thing you'd like to see? https://tidelift.com/ Something has to be done to ensure that Open Source which plays a vital role in our business ecosystems remains sustainable. There are real business implications if some package we all depend on is under-funded and implodes (we can all name well-know…

OSS is sustainable. I don’t like how tidelift seems to present a partial story. If there some OSS crisis that I’m not aware of? Separately, just because something is an approach doesn’t mean it’s worth talking about.

Yes, there is a crisis. Critical infrastructure is maintained by single developers who get no money for their effort, while the companies using their work make billions.
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