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MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by parasubvert »

okmokmz wrote: post #554
shepardrtc wrote: post #490

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Sorry, but Apple did a really great thing with this keyboard. I absolutely love it, and its a shame that its going away because people like to complain on the internet.

You seem to be in the minority. I dislike the new keyboard a lot, and looking up info about the new keyboards online almost all of the posts and articles are negative. https://www.macworld.com/article/3385043/apple-apology-macbo... https://theoutline.com/post/7315/apple-keyboards-still-suck-... https://theoutline.com/post/2402/the-new-macbook-keyboard-is... https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/01/an-ode-to-apples-awful-mac…

He’s in the minority only if you count “people who get paid to slag on apple for clicks”.

There are millions of happy MacBook Pro users. Only a fraction have these keyboard issues.

I look forward to the great MacBook Pro exodus of 2020, which is supposedly going to happen if you read all these pundits.

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Post by parasubvert »

falcolas wrote: post #508
parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

The topic of this article is, quite clearly, "MacBook Pro keyboards are unreliable", not "I don't like typing on MacBook Pro keyboards". If yours is still reliable, that's great. That doesn't take away from the new keyboards being unreliable for an unusually large majority of users.

It’s not unreliability for a majority, though. That would imply over 50% of laptops have required repairs, which is a ludicrous number. There is literally no evidence of that.

A vocal minority, yes. That can’t seem to accept that it is a minority.

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Post by parasubvert »

ubu7737 wrote: post #528
parasubvert wrote: post #479

The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

> because I like my Macbook Pro, have never had a keyboard issue, I LIKE TYPING on the keyboard, and would buy another one. In general I've found that slow typers are the people saying things like this. Nobody with a history of speed at a keyboard can be satisfied with a tablet-like KB, let alone one with the gigantic palm-magnet touchpad. When people profess their love for the butterflies, I carefully observe their…

See, here we go again, more sneering. I have been using keyboards for 35 years and type 100+ wpm with my MacBook Pro.

People just can’t accept that a majority of users aren’t having problems.

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Post by prvc »

msbarnett wrote: post #177
delfinom wrote: post #148

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Don't forget makes you buy a monitor stand separately for that few thousand dollar monitor

Meh. That’s an incredibly high end reference monitor targeted at a niche set of high end video producers that already overwhelmingly prefer to rack mount their reference monitors. Most of the target market doesn’t need or want that stand.

A not insignificant number of fans will buy it anyway.

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Post by torgian »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #162
torgian wrote: post #134

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that's good to hear. I've been wanting to upgrade from my 2013 model, but the keyboards are so shit that I decided to wait. Might still not buy one if they still have a Touch Bar though (and omg, touch bar was automatically made uppercase...) Apple, I love you, but I hate you too.

What about if they have a touch bar but also have a hardware escape key? That's really the only thing about the touch bar Mac keyboard layout that I hate. (I don't actually mind the feel of the butterfly keys -- I'm typing on them now -- but I don't love them, either. Although if they kept this key feel, maybe just doubled the travel, and brought the reliability back in line with the older scissor switches, I'd be to…

Yeah, I could deal with the touch bar if they had a physical button for the ESC key.

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Post by bschwindHN »

jasonhansel wrote: post #460
bschwindHN wrote: post #252

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Which GUI are you using which isn't annoying?

I really like KDE but GNOME is more popular afaik.

Is there a particular distribution's customizations that you like? I've tried Ubuntu/Gnome and Manjaro/KDE and thought both were pretty bad out of the box. I can go into more detail if necessary...

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Post by crispinb »

puranjay wrote: post #355
crispinb wrote: post #198

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As a sometime mac diehard (iOS & Mac developer, ObjC enthusiast), I find it a little hard to imagine how anyone could continue paying through the nose for Apple's dreadful hardware at this point. A reasonable platform conservatism did encourage me to consider another mac when my 2013 MB Pro outlived its usefulness, but only briefly. Shame. Last time I used it (early 2018) I still found OS X to be have the best overal…

The software is becoming a deal-breaker as well. Every upgrade seems to break things to the point that I don't even upgrade anymore. I've also felt that window management is better in Windows than in OS X. Multitasking feels faster and more intuitive on Windows 10.

Fair enough - I'm a bit out of touch with current OS X. Windows has some pluses but lots of downsides too. Same for Linux. They're all an unhappy compromise from my perspective. I've reached a stage of frustration with the dreadful desktop OS scene that I now invest as little as possible in any of them. I keep my data portable, use x-platform apps as much as I can, and generally keep the OS, as far as I'm able, to be just a file store and app launcher.

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Post by boomlinde »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #256
iamleppert wrote: post #12

I switched to a Thinkpad after I had the horror of using a new Macbook. Running Ubuntu is lovely, so much so that for a developer there is little reason to be using a Macbook anymore. You can get a lot more bang for the buck using a Thinkpad AND have a functional keyboard. Apple should be very worried. Once they loose the developers, users won't be long to follow.

There are four of us at work that use Linux--the other 30 or so all have MacBooks. There are no converts, either you started a Linux person, or you started a Mac person. My little Linux enclave has some theories about the cognitive effect of all the polish that you find on Apple products, but we can't separate our biasses from good science, especially because there's nobody to ask that knows both worlds. So I have a…

I have used both. I had a MacBook at work at a previous job and otherwise mostly Debian. Currently I use Void Linux at home and Debian at work.

I was impressed with the build quality of the Mac at the time (2012 model? 2013?) but as a Unix system it wasn't among the best. No built-in package manager and the popular option, Homebrew, was messy and temperamental. System updates were terrifying because you never knew what it did to software installed with Homebrew. System core utilities are from BSD or BSD like (forks from old versions?). The file system system hierarchy is a bit unconventional if you are used to *BSD or GNU/Linux. The file manager was clunky (though easily "fixed" with a modern Norton Commander clone). In the end I spent most days with a full screen terminal and a full screen browser. One thing I really liked was the touch pad. The motions make sense and it's pleasant to use even for long periods of time. Screen was also nice (retina).

It wasn't a great sense of loss when I turned that laptop back in, though. I bought a refurbished Thinkpad for probably a tenth of the price and was happy with that. I'd never buy a Mac myself. Maybe if I get into iOS development it would make sense, or really need to use Photoshop or some such software. Until then I see no reason to pay the premium, especially now that other manufacturers have high resolution screens. "It just works" is overstated because when it frequently does not in some slightly off-mainstream use case you have browse some Stack Exchange site or some Apple support forum to figure out how to fix it.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Post by falcolas »

parasubvert wrote: post #572
falcolas wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The topic of this article is, quite clearly, "MacBook Pro keyboards are unreliable", not "I don't like typing on MacBook Pro keyboards". If yours is still reliable, that's great. That doesn't take away from the new keyboards being unreliable for an unusually large majority of users.

It’s not unreliability for a majority, though. That would imply over 50% of laptops have required repairs, which is a ludicrous number. There is literally no evidence of that. A vocal minority, yes. That can’t seem to accept that it is a minority.

If you follow the rule of 1-9-90, for every outspoken person in the community, there are 90 others who are silently working around the issues with their keyboard.

And does it really matter whether it’s a minority or a majority? Perhaps I should have worded it as a “significant number of users” to avoid the hangup on one word.

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