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Post by bildung »

fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #119
astura wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA too has regulations and levies fines, however, the robcallers and scammers are almost always overseas criminal operations. I suspect the US is much more of a target because there's many, many more overseas criminals that speak English than German.

My bet is simply that you go where the money is[0]. [0] https://www.justfacts.com/news_poorest_americans_richer_than...

Note I don't disagree, but that source was on hn a few days ago and is a pretty poor propaganda site. The article:

* redefines poverty multiple times and then comes to the surprising conclusion that the results differ from the NY Times article

* uses consumption in USD as a measure, which is highly problematic, because a) different countries have different purchasing power, which is is the reason almost noone in poverty research compares international poverty using gross consumption b) consumption heavily reflects economic inefficency (e.g. health care costs: If a say Danish poor gets her broken arm fixed for free, she would consume 0$ according to this figure, while achieving the same quality of life out of it)

The usual threshold for poverty (for good reasons) is 50 or 60% of the median income in a country. Which the NY Times article used.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by fuzz4lyfe »

bildung wrote: post #151
fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bet is simply that you go where the money is[0]. [0] https://www.justfacts.com/news_poorest_americans_richer_than...

Note I don't disagree, but that source was on hn a few days ago and is a pretty poor propaganda site. The article: * redefines poverty multiple times and then comes to the surprising conclusion that the results differ from the NY Times article * uses consumption in USD as a measure, which is highly problematic, because a) different countries have different purchasing power, which is is the reason almost noone in pove…

>The usual threshold for poverty (for good reasons) is 50 or 60% of the median income in a country.

If you think half to 40% of people in the Congo are not in poverty you are delusional

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by HugoHobling »

dmix wrote: post #74
HugoHobling wrote: post #19

I know it's overkill, but this is my current setup for my phone numbers. I treat phone numbers the same way I do my email address: I use different numbers for different purposes. 1. I have a "clean" phone number I only share with friends/family. Certain prefixes and phone number actually receive next to zero spam calls. This number has received 2 calls in the years I've had it. 2. I have a phone number I share with c…

Which SIP client do you use? I'm having trouble finding a good voip client. The telecom world is full of bad software with 1990s designs. Endless confusing configuration forms with vague repetitive labels.

I use Bria, and it's decent. It supports push notifications for calls, which is necessary on iOS. The app costs money, but comes with excellent support if you run into issues. There are free and open source apps, and the quality of these are hit and miss.

The push notification necessitates the app sharing SIP credentials with Counterpath (the company that makes Bria), so it's good to have some fraud protection for the extension in Asterisk in the event that Counterpath gets breached. They are a publicly traded company, so hopefully they have decent security.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #152
bildung wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note I don't disagree, but that source was on hn a few days ago and is a pretty poor propaganda site. The article: * redefines poverty multiple times and then comes to the surprising conclusion that the results differ from the NY Times article * uses consumption in USD as a measure, which is highly problematic, because a) different countries have different purchasing power, which is is the reason almost noone in pove…

>The usual threshold for poverty (for good reasons) is 50 or 60% of the median income in a country. If you think half to 40% of people in the Congo are not in poverty you are delusional

That's cherry-picking. Of course everybody in the poorest country in the world, is in poverty.

But the usual measure of relative local wealth, works pretty good.

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Post by HugoHobling »

mttyng wrote: post #59
HugoHobling wrote: post #19

I know it's overkill, but this is my current setup for my phone numbers. I treat phone numbers the same way I do my email address: I use different numbers for different purposes. 1. I have a "clean" phone number I only share with friends/family. Certain prefixes and phone number actually receive next to zero spam calls. This number has received 2 calls in the years I've had it. 2. I have a phone number I share with c…

How did you set this all up? It’s really interesting to me. Is there an article somewhere?

I'm not aware of any documentation that's all in one place. It all uses basic Asterisk functionality with FAGI scripts to do anything with advanced logic.

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Post by astura »

js2 wrote: post #64
DuskStar wrote: post #60

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I find sites that won't accept my Google Voice number on a semi-regular basis. I think the most recent was Uber, which I discovered when moving phones a few months back.

I wonder if I have more success because my GV number was originally a cellular number (many many years ago). I've used it with Uber and Lyft successfully.

Yeah, Uber blocked my GV number.

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Post by mcny »

sbarre wrote: post #145
mcherm wrote: post #126

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I think it is because the phone companies (in the US) refuse to identify and block such calls.

I used to think this, then I worked at a telco for a while.. The problem is a lot more complicated.. Due to how ILECs and CLECs (incumbent/parent phone companies who own the infrastructure and then wholesalers/resellers who operate on top of them due to competition laws) integrate, how they share and allocate phone number prefixes and lists (this whole process alone is mind-blowingly arcane), and how all phone compan…

> Unintended consequences are rampant.

Breaking up AT&T into regional bell operating companies[1] (the ILEC thing) was a very stupid decision in hindsight. I don't know what actually happened. Did AT&T simply have smarter people than the US Government did?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System

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Post by free652 »

nostrebored wrote: post #120
FDSGSG wrote: post #112

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Feels good to read and hence gets upvoted, but it's just not true. US has dished out far more severe punishments for this stuff than the Bundesnetzagentur could https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/24-defendants-sentenced-multi... This is not about regulations, lots of these robocallers are straight up criminal operations who will not be swayed by fines. If Germany has implemented some technical measures against robocallin…

The measures aren't necessarily technical in a lot of cases. Anyone can claim a US number with very little effort. Claiming European numbers usually requires business address verification.

Huh? Robocallers fake the caller ids, I can fake any European number that I want. Even without faking I can claim an European number without any verification.

For an example what prevents me as an American to get a British or polish number?

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Post by fuzz4lyfe »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #154
fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The usual threshold for poverty (for good reasons) is 50 or 60% of the median income in a country. If you think half to 40% of people in the Congo are not in poverty you are delusional

That's cherry-picking. Of course everybody in the poorest country in the world, is in poverty. But the usual measure of relative local wealth, works pretty good.

That measure won't work on the vast majority of the planet. The global per-capita median income is less that three thousand dollars a year. People making 4 grand a year aren't out of poverty.

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Post by jt2190 »

cookie_monsta wrote: post #36

> 70% of consumers don’t answer a call if the caller’s number is anonymous. While that might cut down the number of unwanted robocalls, it also potentially prevents consumers from receiving vital communications—calls from the doctor, banks that are flagging issues, schools calling about parents’ children. A message to my doctor, bank, kids' school, etc: if you call me on a private/unknown number and don't leave a voi…

Patients would call my wife’s office after hours and leave their number with the answering service for a call back. After hours calls were triaged into three groups: Emergency, tell patient to call an ambulance; Urgent, get patient a prescription or tell them to get to an after hours clinics; Non-urgent, patient can wait until the office is open and make an appointment.

Of course, when she made calls back with her desk or cell phone, Caller ID would display a number that was different from the main number of the clinic, and most patients would’t answer, even though they were expecting a call they’d requested. I finally built her an app that would dial the phone and spoof the Caller ID with the clinic’s main number. (This was also helpful because my wife was not the only on-call doctor, so a direct line to her was only occasionally the correct number to dial after-hours. The best move for patients was to always dial the main office number.)

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