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Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by ancarda »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

>if you get reported for unsolicited calling

How does that work if someone spoofs the caller ID?

I'm in the UK and I get multiple spam/junk/scam calls a day. What I've noticed is if I try to call back, I'll just get an error tone because the number doesn't exist.

I really don't get the negativity, I'd love to have some system like Verified by Twilio!

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by FDSGSG »

LeonM wrote: post #89
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Good to see this comment. As a European citizen I never understood what this whole robocalling thing was about. In the Netherlands, there is the 'bel me niet' (don't call me) register. If you have your number put on the list, marketeers are not allowed to call you. If they do, they risk a hefty fine.

Feels good to read and hence gets upvoted, but it's just not true.

US has dished out far more severe punishments for this stuff than the Bundesnetzagentur could https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/24-defendants-sentenced-multi...

This is not about regulations, lots of these robocallers are straight up criminal operations who will not be swayed by fines.

If Germany has implemented some technical measures against robocalling I'd absolutely love to hear about them! I seriously doubt they have though.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by basq »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Many Americans are allergic to the idea of the government doing anything but managing national defense.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by astura »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

The USA too has regulations and levies fines, however, the robcallers and scammers are almost always overseas criminal operations.

I suspect the US is much more of a target because there's many, many more overseas criminals that speak English than German.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by juskrey »

Huh? "We’re partnering with leading call identification apps"

Are that those shady apps which require your address book access just to start, aren't they?

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by aivisol »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

European here, too, lived in several EU countries, received very few robocalls in my life. Do not think this is due to regulation. Exactly, caller IDs can be spoofed, and who gets the fine then? Should be something else: the way how we are used to purchase services, goods, etc... Or the markets here are too small compared to US that blanket dialing does not justify call termination fees... But not 100% sure.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by rwha »

caymanjim wrote: post #97
perlgeek wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement. The problem is that the US telco providers let them disguise their identity. In Germany, there are anonymous calls, and calls where you see the caller's numbers. I've never once been called by a spoofed number. So, it's possible to prevent that, given the political will, and the necessary…

The telcos are working on solving the problem. The FCC recently changed a rule[1] that was, in part, preventing them from acting. The telcos are also working out the technology that will allow them to block them at the source, and all the major ones are planning to roll it out soon. It's not as if they've been intentionally negligent here. [1]: https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2019/05/15/blocking-and...

The telcos are part of the problem. I work for a company that deals with incoming robocalls -- thousands a day. I have a very long email conversation in my inbox between us (company) and Verizon. The general theme in this conversation thread is

COMPANY: we're getting thousands of these robocalls into our various numbers, will you please help to stop it?

VERIZON: We don't see a problem, everything is fine. Your bill will be there soon.

COMPANY: attached is a log showing 4,000 calls in the last two hours sent through your network and terminating at our location. Will you please help to stop it?

VERIZON: we have investigated the provided calls and we see nothing showing these calls originated from us. Please contact the upstream telco and ask them. Your bill should have arrived by now, pay it.

COMPANY: but Verizon does not provide us with information on the upstream telcos, we need your assistance in stopping the robocallers. This bill is considerably larger than usual because of all these robocalls. Will you please help up stop them?

VERIZON: we recommend your legal team contact our legal team if you feel we are actually allowing robocalls to pass through our network to yours. Pay your bill immediately.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by nprateem »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

The problem is also very easily solved by not answering numbers you don't recognise. If they don't leave a message it can't have been important.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by fuzz4lyfe »

astura wrote: post #114
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

The USA too has regulations and levies fines, however, the robcallers and scammers are almost always overseas criminal operations. I suspect the US is much more of a target because there's many, many more overseas criminals that speak English than German.

My bet is simply that you go where the money is[0].

[0]https://www.justfacts.com/news_poorest_americans_richer_than...

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by nostrebored »

FDSGSG wrote: post #112
LeonM wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to see this comment. As a European citizen I never understood what this whole robocalling thing was about. In the Netherlands, there is the 'bel me niet' (don't call me) register. If you have your number put on the list, marketeers are not allowed to call you. If they do, they risk a hefty fine.

Feels good to read and hence gets upvoted, but it's just not true. US has dished out far more severe punishments for this stuff than the Bundesnetzagentur could https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/24-defendants-sentenced-multi... This is not about regulations, lots of these robocallers are straight up criminal operations who will not be swayed by fines. If Germany has implemented some technical measures against robocallin…

The measures aren't necessarily technical in a lot of cases. Anyone can claim a US number with very little effort. Claiming European numbers usually requires business address verification.
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