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Post by ryanlol »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Get off your high horse, you clearly don’t understand what’s going on here. No country in the world has solved this problem, it simply doesn’t exist in some.

Fines do nothing to discourage this behaviour by criminals, the fact that Germans speak German has everything to do with the lack of English robocalls.

Re: Verified by Twilio

#102

Post by whazor »

LeonM wrote: post #89
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Good to see this comment. As a European citizen I never understood what this whole robocalling thing was about. In the Netherlands, there is the 'bel me niet' (don't call me) register. If you have your number put on the list, marketeers are not allowed to call you. If they do, they risk a hefty fine.

As a Dutch citizen I regularly get spam calls, especially from foreign companies buying Ditch numbers.

Re: Verified by Twilio

#103

Post by kristiandupont »

ryanlol wrote: post #99
perlgeek wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement. The problem is that the US telco providers let them disguise their identity. In Germany, there are anonymous calls, and calls where you see the caller's numbers. I've never once been called by a spoofed number. So, it's possible to prevent that, given the political will, and the necessary…

lmao The issue is that the callers speak English, not German. If you go to Nordic countries where everyone speaks English you get similar calls as in the US. You can spoof numbers anywhere.

I live in Denmark and I don't get calls like that.

Re: Verified by Twilio

#104

Post by jbj »

LeonM wrote: post #89
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Good to see this comment. As a European citizen I never understood what this whole robocalling thing was about. In the Netherlands, there is the 'bel me niet' (don't call me) register. If you have your number put on the list, marketeers are not allowed to call you. If they do, they risk a hefty fine.

Not sure if I can agree totally, I get less spam calls on my danish phone number than on my US phone, however I do get missed calls every now and then followed by a call from a "Microsoft Tech Support" which are an awful similar in style to those reported on in the podcast "Reply All"[1] I suspect those are number spoofing as they rarely get the length of the local phone numbers correct.

In case of calls originating from another country will laws and regulation actually be able to do anything here?

[1] https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/6nh3wk/102-long-dist...

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by ryanlol »

kristiandupont wrote: post #103
ryanlol wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lmao The issue is that the callers speak English, not German. If you go to Nordic countries where everyone speaks English you get similar calls as in the US. You can spoof numbers anywhere.

I live in Denmark and I don't get calls like that.

Ok? I’m not saying it’s constant, but you do see it sometimes when the scammers try out new regions.

Stuff like this, which is the very typical US scam https://www.thelocal.se/20140505/swedes-targeted-in-new-micr...

European countries in general just aren’t very attractive to these scams, conversion rates are far lower than in English-speaking countries.

E: Another Danish commenter reports the same calls https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20837015

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by mieseratte »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Germany stills has robocall issues, this is nothing more than wishful thinking and a nice dose of European exceptionalism mindset.

Re: Verified by Twilio

#107

Post by JCharante »

LeonM wrote: post #89
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Good to see this comment. As a European citizen I never understood what this whole robocalling thing was about. In the Netherlands, there is the 'bel me niet' (don't call me) register. If you have your number put on the list, marketeers are not allowed to call you. If they do, they risk a hefty fine.

In the US we also have a do not call register, however, the register serves as a great list of phone numbers that robocallers can target.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by stedaniels »

nemesisj wrote: post #79
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I have lived in the U.K. for more than 8 years. I receive spam calls daily from a combination of London and blocked numbers. Everyone I know here also receives them frequently. I’m on the U.K. do not call list. It’s endless PPI, “your recent accident”, and just normal phishing attempts. When I’m in the Middle East it’s endless spam texts. I guess Germany has it figured out but by no means is this an American only pro…

I'm in the UK and have had the same number for a decade or so, I probably get one a year? They are mainly from foreign companies. If said countries also had our regulations, and a sharing agreement in place, it wouldn't be an issue.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by FDSGSG »

mieseratte wrote: post #106
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Germany stills has robocall issues, this is nothing more than wishful thinking and a nice dose of European exceptionalism mindset.

Crazy how this gets downvoted. European exceptionalism is exactly what this is.

No-one here has identified any specific effective methods through which Germany or any other European country combats these calls, it's because they can't. Fines only keep local businesses from doing this, but the people making these calls to the US are criminal gangs based out of India.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by wastedhours »

nemesisj wrote: post #79
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I have lived in the U.K. for more than 8 years. I receive spam calls daily from a combination of London and blocked numbers. Everyone I know here also receives them frequently. I’m on the U.K. do not call list. It’s endless PPI, “your recent accident”, and just normal phishing attempts. When I’m in the Middle East it’s endless spam texts. I guess Germany has it figured out but by no means is this an American only pro…

Yeah, I get robocalls to my mobile almost daily. My late grandfather would also get calls once a week from the scum running those "Windows security issue" calls. Luckily we were about to give them a right good talking to - it's illegal, but they still do it.
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