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Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by fasicle »

nemesisj wrote: post #79
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I have lived in the U.K. for more than 8 years. I receive spam calls daily from a combination of London and blocked numbers. Everyone I know here also receives them frequently. I’m on the U.K. do not call list. It’s endless PPI, “your recent accident”, and just normal phishing attempts. When I’m in the Middle East it’s endless spam texts. I guess Germany has it figured out but by no means is this an American only pro…

As a counterpoint, I've lived in the U.K. most of my life and very rarely get spam calls (maybe ~5 a year). When I do it's almost always people trying to sell stuff / services to my startup.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by duiker101 »

cameldrv wrote: post #71
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I don't know why people don't get spam calls in Germany, but it's not because of regulation. The U.S. has similiar regulation, and in fact individual consumers can sue telemarketers for $500-$1000 per call. The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement.

Could it be that it's because the calls would need to come from outside the country(probably outside the EU) and there is disproportionately more English speaking people outside Germany?

It's a problem similar to why there are more viruses for Windows, well, it's why there's more Windows machines in the world.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by Jolter »

kerkeslager wrote: post #37

Just what we need, another startup injecting themselves into our lives. And then for the right price, "acceptable robocalls" can be Verified by Twilio™! SHAKEN/STIR[1] is a much more network-agnostic solution to the same problem, using essentially the same, well-established technology used by internet certificate authorities. As such, it has all the same basic problems that CAs do, but it's a hell of a lot better tha…

Looks cool but wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to just outlaw robocalling like the rest of the world has?

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by Jolter »

pjohri wrote: post #39

With the new iOS beta allowing non recognized callers (not in address book) go straight to voice mail, I see little use for this service now than before.

It seems this service would allow calls from anonymous numbers to be identified by the receiver. Just routing unknown numbers to voice mail will lose you those calls. For example, my doctor's office always calls from "unknown number".

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by spanxx »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

In Spain is also solved. You register in a free and public service called "Lista Robinson" (Robinson List) and from that time you won't receive commercial phone calls.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by mercora »

perlgeek wrote: post #75
cameldrv wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why people don't get spam calls in Germany, but it's not because of regulation. The U.S. has similiar regulation, and in fact individual consumers can sue telemarketers for $500-$1000 per call. The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement.

> The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement. The problem is that the US telco providers let them disguise their identity. In Germany, there are anonymous calls, and calls where you see the caller's numbers. I've never once been called by a spoofed number. So, it's possible to prevent that, given the political will, and the necessary…

I live in Germany and got multiple spam calls in a relatively small time frame (days) from spoofed numbers. I am pretty sure this is not allowed and might be fined too if caught. But i also know for sure there is not much telcos do against this if you are already in a position to route calls, probably for technical reasons. That said this was the only occasion i got those calls that i can sharply remember and it happened some years ago already.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by aithrow »

Received this unsollicited pearl from Twilio subsidiary Sendgrid today:

Hi aithrow,

One of my special interests is Whitebox machine learning, and has been for many years

With the dominance of Blackbox techniques causing lots of ethical questions to be raised on the uses of AI, I think it's time to revisit Whitebox techniques.

I’ve written a couple of non-technical articles on the subject on Medium:

Why, if you're planning to use AI you need a Whitebox system

Why are tech firms ignoring half of AI?

If you want to read about our Whitebox solutions please look at darl.ai

Whitebox machine learning is available (free) through our GraphQL API at darl.dev

Thanks for reading,

Andy Edmonds Doctor Andy’s IP sales@darl.ai

P.S. A glitch in our mail handling software meant that a small number of unsubscribes were missed on our last mailshot. If you were one of these my apologies. Just unsubscribe again, we won’t miss you this time!

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Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by LeonM »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

Good to see this comment. As a European citizen I never understood what this whole robocalling thing was about.

In the Netherlands, there is the 'bel me niet' (don't call me) register. If you have your number put on the list, marketeers are not allowed to call you. If they do, they risk a hefty fine.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by reportgunner »

>Imagine a world where you receive a phone call and know exactly who it’s coming from and what they’re calling about before you press the answer button. Crazy, right?

Now realize that it's not you who knows it, but rather a company that is tracking all your phonecalls and decides for you whether you should answer or not.

>Through the programmability of the Twilio platform, businesses will also be able to assign a purpose for each call to give further context.

So a malicious actor can assign a legitimate purpose to his phone call ? No thanks

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