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Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by wrycoder »

jwkane wrote: post #123
non-entity wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one thing that keeps me from moving lightweight editors like vim or emacs from the bloated IDE stuff if the ability to easily find definitions, etc. If I have hundreds or thousands of source files and I want to find the definition of say a struct or function, being able to right click->go to definition or similar is a godsend. Maybe emacs or vim have similar features via plugins though? I'm not sure.

lightweight editors like emacs... The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.

Ahh. "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping".

Happy sigh...those were the days :-)

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by flukus »

non-entity wrote: post #84
dragonsh wrote: post #18

Great job a very good example of programmable editor. Emacs had been my work horse since 2002 and never disappointed. In the meantime tried many ide only vim and emacs stayed with me. Sometimes do use nano and sublime text but then back to either emacs or vi. All those shiny IDE based on electron, Java or C++ are just too slow to be productive be it VScode, atom or eclipse or visual studio or kdevelop. I am forced to…

The one thing that keeps me from moving lightweight editors like vim or emacs from the bloated IDE stuff if the ability to easily find definitions, etc. If I have hundreds or thousands of source files and I want to find the definition of say a struct or function, being able to right click->go to definition or similar is a godsend. Maybe emacs or vim have similar features via plugins though? I'm not sure.

A simple one that works out of the box (I think) with vim is ctags, install it and run "ctags -R" in the code directory. Then in vim hit "ctrl-]" when your over a name to jump to it, hit "ctrl-o" take you back up a level.

It's not as sophisticated as an IDE, but it works with practically any language and is easy to customize.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by amitp »

jacktasia wrote: post #95
non-entity wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one thing that keeps me from moving lightweight editors like vim or emacs from the bloated IDE stuff if the ability to easily find definitions, etc. If I have hundreds or thousands of source files and I want to find the definition of say a struct or function, being able to right click->go to definition or similar is a godsend. Maybe emacs or vim have similar features via plugins though? I'm not sure.

My package dumb-jump might be what you want: https://github.com/jacktasia/dumb-jump

Thank you for that package!

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by opan »

masukomi wrote: post #150
opan wrote: post #146

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I've had a similar, although not as extremely bad, experience to you. It does make the project look bad, but I've actually run into this issue with lots of stuff where "stable" is horrendous to use (Debian) and gives the whole project a bad name. I wouldn't mind recommending spacemacs to a friend around my age, but I guess the issue of having to be on develop is something that would make me hesitant to recommend it t…

as a vim user, I'd have to say no... don't recommend it to vim users. There have been, for me, too many edge cases where I just end up in that helm(?) display thing at the bottom when I was trying to do some simple thing. For ages :edit and :write and :quit didn't work. As the parent poster mentioned the installation doesn't work. You really have to be willing to work for it. I've commented about the incorrect docs a…

It sounds like you're avoiding some of the benefits that emacs brings. Helm was one of the biggest additions for me. I also love that every action is a function that can be called, and that you can make your own functions. I often hit `SPC SPC` and then run commands from helm. I've even used its fuzzy-finding search to find functions I wasn't sure existed. It's a real joy for me.

I do use `:e` and `:w` pretty often, so I'm grateful those work. I suppose I would've felt very differently if I'd ran into issues with them early on. I don't actually use `:q` from spacemacs since with emacs you often leave open all your visited files. If I do want to get rid of something, I tend to do `SPC b d` for buffer delete.

>installation doesn't work

I think on my GNU/Linux machine the installation worked for me. I first started switching to the develop branch because of a bug in one of the layers I enabled that was fixed in develop.

>insecure downloads

I definitely haven't made this change that people are mentioning.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by opan »

wikibob wrote: post #139
OhSoHumble wrote: post #113

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I have been using Spacemacs exclusively for around three or four years and I don't know if I can actively recommend it. The problem is that the 'stable/master' branch of Spacemacs is incredibly outdated. I found myself needing fixes or improvements that existed in 'develop' so often that I migrated over to that branch. The idea of regularly cutting stable releases just isn't done within that project so if I'm recomme…

What do you suggest instead? Is there a nice how-to for setting up emacs with evil mode and a reasonable set of defaults that don’t require endless tweaking?

I've been planning the move to vanilla emacs for a while now. Spacemacs is a good way to see what powerful tools are out there. I'm just gonna write down which packages I actually use regularly from Spacemacs and then start my config with those and see what's missing. It will probably be a stressful transition, so I'm putting it off for now. I will probably also take the chance to manage all my emacs packages with guix at that point, too.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by fulafel »

dmortin wrote: post #86
non-entity wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one thing that keeps me from moving lightweight editors like vim or emacs from the bloated IDE stuff if the ability to easily find definitions, etc. If I have hundreds or thousands of source files and I want to find the definition of say a struct or function, being able to right click->go to definition or similar is a godsend. Maybe emacs or vim have similar features via plugins though? I'm not sure.

It's a pretty basic feature, so of course they can do that, and now with language servers they can do even more. What they usually can't do is the more involved stuff, like refactoring, because there is no company who pays people to implement these for emacs/vim.

You can do refactoring in Emacs for many languages with packages like js2-refactor, clj-refactor, etc. It's language-specific.

It's true that funding is important. CIDER has benefited from this system: https://www.clojuriststogether.org/projects/

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by wowtip »

masukomi wrote: post #150
opan wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a similar, although not as extremely bad, experience to you. It does make the project look bad, but I've actually run into this issue with lots of stuff where "stable" is horrendous to use (Debian) and gives the whole project a bad name. I wouldn't mind recommending spacemacs to a friend around my age, but I guess the issue of having to be on develop is something that would make me hesitant to recommend it t…

as a vim user, I'd have to say no... don't recommend it to vim users. There have been, for me, too many edge cases where I just end up in that helm(?) display thing at the bottom when I was trying to do some simple thing. For ages :edit and :write and :quit didn't work. As the parent poster mentioned the installation doesn't work. You really have to be willing to work for it. I've commented about the incorrect docs a…

Have you used vanilla Emacs + Evil? Any thoughts on that combination?

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by bauerd »

spudlyo wrote: post #97
bauerd wrote: post #50

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I run emacs -nw --daemon, but on OS X it's noticeably slower (running in iTerm, tmux) than it is on Linux. It's not what I would call snappy at all tbh. I've checked it's not my config. I wonder how come?

That's the exact setup on macOS I run as well. I also run that way on my Linux development box (iTerm2 -> tmux -> ssh -> linux -> tmux (nested) -> emacs -nw --daemon) and it feels the same to me. I run emacs-plus macOS variant, which one are you running?

Tried everything to no avail. `history | grep "brew install emacs"` gave me this:

  brew install emacs
  brew install emacs --HEAD
  brew install emacs --with-cocoa --with-imagemagick@6 --HEAD
  brew install emacs --with-librsvg --with-cocoa --with-imagemagick@6 --HEAD
  brew install emacs --with-gnutls --with-librsvg --with- 
 cocoa --with-imagemagick@6 --HEAD
  brew install emacs --devel  --with-cocoa --with-gnutls  --with-librsvg --with-imagemagick
  brew install emacs --HEAD --use-git-head
  brew install emacs-plus --HEAD

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by ktm5j »

dragonsh wrote: post #18

Great job a very good example of programmable editor. Emacs had been my work horse since 2002 and never disappointed. In the meantime tried many ide only vim and emacs stayed with me. Sometimes do use nano and sublime text but then back to either emacs or vi. All those shiny IDE based on electron, Java or C++ are just too slow to be productive be it VScode, atom or eclipse or visual studio or kdevelop. I am forced to…

I've found sublime text to be the one exception to the slow text editor trend. It's native ui instead of based on electron, wish it was open source but I'll happily pay for good software.

Re: Emacs 26.3

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Post by h1d »

jjrh wrote: post #125
kldsksdkl wrote: post #76

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You can also have emacs run as a daemon(1). That way you never have to wait. 1 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Emacs#As_a_daemon

This is the /real/ killer feature for me that I would find very difficult to live without and I don't know of any other editors that offer this functionality. Being able to remotely open my editor (either from a terminal, or with X11 forwarding) with all the files I have open, exactly where I left off is incredibly useful.

Any benefit over using screen/tmux?
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