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Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by jfim » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:06 AM UTC

AmVess wrote: post #8

They are pushing production and engineering to anywhere not the USA, so this trend of having fewer workers isn't going to stop until all that's left of GM is the headquarters. I'm not Chicken-Littling either. This trend has been many decades in the making, and it only has one logical endpoint. I was looking at their trucks, and left the showroom when I saw one that had 45% domestic content. I bought a truck that had…

Out of curiosity, how does one find out the domestic content of vehicles (or other goods)?

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by MaconBacon » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:10 AM UTC

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #2

Of the "Detroit three", GM is the only one based in Detroit. Ford world headquarters are in Dearborn, Chrysler is in Auburn Hills.

They've been building Fords in The Rouge for over a hundred years. It's less than 10 miles away from Detroit city center.

I'm not sure your nitpicking distinction really matters here...

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by bumby » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:12 AM UTC

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #5

bumby wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The others are still generally considered metro Detroit

But they're not actually in Detroit. It's like how anyone from the general area of southeast Michigan says they're from Detroit. The real point of TFA, though, is that GM employs the least unionized labor of the Detroit three, which really should have been the headline.

I imagine they used "Detroit" for the same reason metro dwellers claim Detroit. It avoids digressions explaining where places like Auburn Hills or Royal Oak actually are when it's not pertinent to the point. Its short-hand, even if lazy

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by toomuchequate » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:12 AM UTC

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #2

Of the "Detroit three", GM is the only one based in Detroit. Ford world headquarters are in Dearborn, Chrysler is in Auburn Hills.

Nissan in Farmington Hills, Toyota in Ann Arbor?

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:15 AM UTC

MaconBacon wrote: post #12

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #2

Of the "Detroit three", GM is the only one based in Detroit. Ford world headquarters are in Dearborn, Chrysler is in Auburn Hills.

They've been building Fords in The Rouge for over a hundred years. It's less than 10 miles away from Detroit city center. I'm not sure your nitpicking distinction really matters here...

The Rouge? The plant in Dearborn?

Oh, okay.

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by MaconBacon » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:18 AM UTC

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #15

MaconBacon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been building Fords in The Rouge for over a hundred years. It's less than 10 miles away from Detroit city center. I'm not sure your nitpicking distinction really matters here...

The Rouge? The plant in Dearborn? Oh, okay.

This is like saying Brooklyn is not New York City. This is silly shit.

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by bumby » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:20 AM UTC

tempsy wrote: post #4

I’m mostly positive about Andrew Yang but it’s frustrating to know he would point to something like this and scream “automation” when GM’s downsizing has more to do with outsourcing and a slowing market than anything remotely related to robots taking over jobs.

I don't know much in this arena, but there's at least some evidence that automation may be double the job risk as outsourcing[0]

https://talkbusiness.net/2017/07/ball-state-study-automation...

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by wcunning » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:20 AM UTC

AmVess wrote: post #8

They are pushing production and engineering to anywhere not the USA, so this trend of having fewer workers isn't going to stop until all that's left of GM is the headquarters. I'm not Chicken-Littling either. This trend has been many decades in the making, and it only has one logical endpoint. I was looking at their trucks, and left the showroom when I saw one that had 45% domestic content. I bought a truck that had…

Oooph, as someone in the automotive industry, I would avoid that thing like the plague. Have you checked the recall for going through the car wash causing that truck to light on fire[0]? One burned down at my neighborhood convenience store a couple of weeks ago... I would much much much more readily trust the engineering of GM on trucks, but that's probably only meaningful if you actually intend to tow something. I have a Ford truck, but that's mostly due to rust concerns in the Southeast Michigan area.

All of this is to say that I would trust the domestic manufacturers on anything truck related before I would trust one of the foreign companies, Toyota definitely included. It's simply a matter of core competency, regardless of percentage of US content.

[0] https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/honda-ri...

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:28 AM UTC

MaconBacon wrote: post #16

phjesusthatguy3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Rouge? The plant in Dearborn? Oh, okay.

This is like saying Brooklyn is not New York City. This is silly shit.

Dearborn isn't Detroit. I don't know why y'all are upset about this.

I mean, I do, being from Detroit myself. I just don't know why you got this twisted.

(Grand River & Five Mile)

Re: GM Is Now Detroit’s Smallest Auto-Making Employer

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Post by perl4ever » Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 2:39 AM UTC

wcunning wrote: post #18

AmVess wrote: post #8

They are pushing production and engineering to anywhere not the USA, so this trend of having fewer workers isn't going to stop until all that's left of GM is the headquarters. I'm not Chicken-Littling either. This trend has been many decades in the making, and it only has one logical endpoint. I was looking at their trucks, and left the showroom when I saw one that had 45% domestic content. I bought a truck that had…

Oooph, as someone in the automotive industry, I would avoid that thing like the plague. Have you checked the recall for going through the car wash causing that truck to light on fire[0]? One burned down at my neighborhood convenience store a couple of weeks ago... I would much much much more readily trust the engineering of GM on trucks, but that's probably only meaningful if you actually intend to tow something. I h…

Number 1 hit for "F-150 recalls":

"Ford Motor Company (Ford) is recalling certain 2018 Ford Expedition, F-150, and Lincoln Navigator vehicles equipped with 3.5L GTDI V6 engines. These vehicles have high pressure fuel pump assemblies with welds that can fracture, which may cause an oil or fuel leak."

That said, I don't own a pickup from any manufacturer.