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Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Your beautiful drive through Colorado requires quite a bit of maintenance and financial support. Somebody has to pay for that. With Brave, Advertisers can pay for it (without getting hold of your data) by way of users. Alternatively, you may choose to "fund the roads" yourself by depositing your own tokens into Brave's wallet—that too is possible. Brave aims to sustain the roads that grant you access to that scenery.…

You are supremely lost. If you carry the analogy, you're saying the billboards destroying my view through Colorado are somehow paying for my roads. Well, actually taxes pay for my roads. And no, viewing ad's on Brave does not somehow make my internet better or faster. It just clutters the experience. The only thing that will opt into this crap are the selenium bots I write to farm some Brave cash or whatever you're c…

> If you carry the analogy, you're saying the billboards destroying my view through Colorado are somehow paying for my roads. Well, actually taxes pay for my roads.

You are entirely misinterpreting the Brave engineer's good faith argument. The argument wasn't that billboards somehow pay for roads. You introduced that analogy, and the reply showed where your anology falls apart. The argument was that unlike roads, most websites aren't funded by taxes and won't be for the foreseeable future. The engineer also points out some ways Brave ads are different from billboards: they are opt-in, they are personalized, they give you useful tokens for your attention, etc.

It's impossible to ignore that every major browser is subsidized by either user tracking or OS sales. Even the privacy focused Firefox, which I use and love, is funded almost completely by Google ads.

And lastly, one great thing about Brave is it's completely (besides maybe Widevine, which isn't their fault) FOSS, so you are free to fork it and remove the Brave ads functionality. In fact it's probably not even hard to write a script to do it automatically. But no one has successfully funded large scale browser development while being FOSS and not relying on ads.

Also, I know people who would opt-in, though I wouldn't myself.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your beautiful drive through Colorado requires quite a bit of maintenance and financial support. Somebody has to pay for that. With Brave, Advertisers can pay for it (without getting hold of your data) by way of users. Alternatively, you may choose to "fund the roads" yourself by depositing your own tokens into Brave's wallet—that too is possible. Brave aims to sustain the roads that grant you access to that scenery.…

>>Your beautiful drive through Colorado requires quite a bit of maintenance and financial support. Somebody has to pay for that. With Brave, Advertisers can pay for it (without getting hold of your data) by way of users. Alternatively, you may choose to "fund the roads" yourself by depositing your own tokens into Brave's wallet—that too is possible. Well, a lot of internet was built by people who want to share for sh…

The people who built the internet for sharing sake are still there, and still ad free.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Not quite, I think that FAQ item needs to be updated. The model works like this: The user opts-in to Brave Rewards/Ads. This kicks off a machine-learning model that begins to study the user's habits and interests. On a daily basis, the user downloads a regional ad catalog (as to other Brave users in their region). This catalog contains numerous ad options, which your device studies for relevance. If/when your device…

> At this time, 70% of the ad revenue is deposited into your in-situ wallet. Brave needs to know when and which ad has been shown to the user, to deposit that ad's revenue right? That means whenever an ad is shown "locally", it still needs to contact Brave server with user's identity behind of some encryption. Brave then shows the proof of ads being presented to users to ad provider to get revenue. Sure, the user's i…

How do you purposefully leak data and get paid for it without a paper trail?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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I'm a publisher relying on ad revenue, and I hate Brave. It's not because it blocks my ads (I also contribute to an ad blocker list myself), but because Brave can swap my ads with its own. This is theft!

Brave is similar to Opera. It's not a mainstream browser, and they also want to make money. Dipping into publisher revenue and using some broken BAT crypto currency to reward publishers is not the way to do it. The currency itself is mostly useless and unstable, plus you will be making peanuts compared to even the lowest CPM country in AdSense.

What we need is an ad provider that provides a meaningful experience to advertisers and non-invasive ads to publishers. An entirely context-based, tracking-less, controlled (iframed and sandboxed).

A browser is a user-agent and it should stay that way. I like certain things Brave is doing (such as proxying Google Safe Browsing API requests), but for all this BAT nonsense, I would still stick with Mozilla.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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BAT token is tradable on exchanges, and price floats and is unstable. Donation receivers need to worry about exchange rates risk - https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/basic-attention-token How about USD or USD stable currencies for this?

Would it be possible to fork Brave and change it to use US Tether, Libra or some other stable coin? Even better: fork it, create your own cryptocurrency like BAT, make ICO and become a millionaire! There is no reason everybody to use BAT.

Not tether. Tether is super sketchy and potentially a scam.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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We signed up for Brave's setup at PortableApps.com after a few users asked about it. They hold your last 90 days in escrow, so you can find out how successful it is once you sign up. We were looking at around 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users for that timeframe over the summer. And we can't even access it since Brave only works with one crypto provider and they aren't licensed in New York. The pr…

Do you hate gays?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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We signed up for Brave's setup at PortableApps.com after a few users asked about it. They hold your last 90 days in escrow, so you can find out how successful it is once you sign up. We were looking at around 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users for that timeframe over the summer. And we can't even access it since Brave only works with one crypto provider and they aren't licensed in New York. The pr…

Do you hate gays?

What?

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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post #169

- do you plan to have a simple password instead of email link? - are there any brave banners i can use to promote brave? - will u provide a command line tool to verify websites? - why are referrals tied to channels instead of account? - will you expand to micropayments? - will brave always block ads everywhere or will you switch to blocking only on verified sites? Some form if instant payment is sorely needed. I hope…

I think the hostility seems focused in two areas. * Brave browser still being chromium under the hood. It's not the worst thing in the world, but there's plenty of sound technical/ideological reasons to be against a browser engine monoculture * A (healthy IMO) skepticism of cryptocurrency backed projects Do you think those concerns are irrelevant? I find it funny that you accuse HN commenters of being Google shills (…

If Firefox's engine were more portable like Chromium, I suppose browser makes would at least have a choice.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Do you hate gays?

What?

Brave was started after Eich was pressured out of the Mozilla foundation for financially supporting anti-gay initiatives. He called his company 'Brave' because he felt he was being brave for using his money to attack a minority group.
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