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Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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The easiest way to identify a monopoly is to look at how badly a company can treat its customers and still get away with it. My company has a half dozen stories like this about Google in the last year alone. Know what Google is doing to its AdSense partners on a massive scale? They wait until your site has just under the earnings when they have to write you a check, then they terminate your AdSense account for “polic…

Pewdepie (sp) and other shallow cunt youtubers can get away with ridiculous shit yet my 400 aggregated content sites that make me two dollars a month each got me banned. Fuck Google.

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I don't want to live in your locked-down Disney with the death sentence world. That's fine for you to want it, but don't impose it on me. I want freedom and liberty to do what I want with the devices I own. I want to develop without fear that these two megacorps can shut me down on a whim for developing something against their ideology. The web isn't like that. Windows wasn't like that. Today we live in a Fischer-Pri…

Windows wasn't like that. Yeah, and it was an absolute disaster. Until very recently (Win7, roughly, or perhaps Vista) near every Windows install -- unless it had been locked down by an administrator, or maintained by a power user -- was an absolute cesspool of malware and outright spyware. The average Windows machine was literally unsafe to use. That's fine for you to want it, but don't impose it on me. Essentially…

So, because you get paid to develop malware traps, we're supposed to like the kiddie pool that can literally get you arrested for next to nothing (freedom of speech), with script kiddies and ideologues dominating the media platforms that idiots _shouldn't_ be able to use in the first place. That's one reason for societies ills -- we've stamped out natural selection.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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The problem with this is that you'll always have exceptions, and eventually you have enough of them that users become accustomed to blindly hitting "Accept" to any permission dialogs.

If you keep a child out of the kitchen because the stove is hot, you'll protect them burning themselves, but you'll also prevent them from learning how to cook. If people don't get the opportunity to fuck up, you arrest their development. Stupid software users then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Users will become dumber than they ever were before, and therefore more and more reliant on software developers to do/…

I think your reasoning here is flawed. People do not all need to develop skills in all aspects of life. By keeping someone from experiencing physical violence you may prevent them from learning how to defend themselves, but by many this would be considered a fair trade.

I believe the same is the case with limited control over technology. Most users do not care to learn, and would opt to actively avoid the opportunity to learn if the associated danger was removed for them.

In my opinion the best option is to remain in the current state by default and have a more obscure 'power user' option that could be enabled within the OS itself.

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> Why is "FDA approved" being treated here as a boogeyman by the parent? Only because they assume that the original commenter said something untrue. The original commenter never said anything about supplements.

It is difficult to imagine what would be marketed over the internet like this that requires FDA approval and isn't at least a bit slimy. If there's something obvious thing that fits in that category that isn't, no one has mentioned it yet.

> It is difficult to imagine what would be marketed over the internet like this that requires FDA approval and isn't at least a bit slimy

Except that actually getting FDA approval suggests to me that it isn't slimy at all.

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> One loophole that dietary supplement companies will use to stamp the FDA approval on themselves is... Can you link to a supplement that claims to be FDA approved as opposed to claiming that some included component has been approved for something unrelated, which is not the same thing? > Another loophole that these dietary supplement companies use is the "FDA Inspected" stamp. That's not a loophole. That's just prey…

It took me 20 seconds to find one example on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Forge-Excellence-Supplement-Metabolis... It is a loophole in that they can list "FDA something " on their product and prey on consumers who do not know any better.

> It took me 20 seconds to find one example on Amazon:

That product in fact does NOT say that it is FDA approved, nor does it say that any of its ingredients are FDA approved. So it is not an example of "stamp the FDA approval on themselves".

> It is a loophole in that they can list "FDA something"

They are making a statement of 100% fact. Their facility was inspected by the FDA. Outlawing saying so would violate the constitution. Notably they are not saying that the product is approved by the FDA.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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The problem with this is that you'll always have exceptions, and eventually you have enough of them that users become accustomed to blindly hitting "Accept" to any permission dialogs.

If you keep a child out of the kitchen because the stove is hot, you'll protect them burning themselves, but you'll also prevent them from learning how to cook. If people don't get the opportunity to fuck up, you arrest their development. Stupid software users then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Users will become dumber than they ever were before, and therefore more and more reliant on software developers to do/…

Serious question: why should anybody have to learn how a computer works?

I mean, I do it for a living and I'm glad I know.

But I don't really know how bridges, or electric guitars, or cars, or genetic engineering, or oil paintings work.

It's awfully gatekeeper-y to insist that computers should be these totally wide-open, unsafe spaces.

I mean it's almost exactly like saying people should know how to rebuild an engine if they want to drive a car.

It's certainly good to know how to rebuild an engine, but surely many people should be able to use cars without knowing that...

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> 1. As you stated, Google forces devs to rely on presence of the Google Play Services Not forcing per se. Google just provides a convenient services that devs are happy to use.

That time has passed. There's functionality on Android that can only be reliably provided through play services these days (push notifications being the big one).

Not really. Apps in China are mostly don't need Google Play Service, so it is totally up to developer to decide whether use it or not.

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If you keep a child out of the kitchen because the stove is hot, you'll protect them burning themselves, but you'll also prevent them from learning how to cook. If people don't get the opportunity to fuck up, you arrest their development. Stupid software users then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Users will become dumber than they ever were before, and therefore more and more reliant on software developers to do/…

Serious question: why should anybody have to learn how a computer works? I mean, I do it for a living and I'm glad I know. But I don't really know how bridges, or electric guitars, or cars, or genetic engineering, or oil paintings work. It's awfully gatekeeper-y to insist that computers should be these totally wide-open, unsafe spaces. I mean it's almost exactly like saying people should know how to rebuild an engine…

I like your car engine analogy; car's have the same level of widespread use as computers, yet I would wager a large percentage of people would struggle to perform much in term of car maintenance. Anecdotally, I know a multitude of people who have no idea how their car engine works, so much so they would not know how to check the oil level.

As a further point, drivers are (with edge case exceptions) not kept away or locked down from performing any work on their vehicle, yet in most cases they would still prefer to pass the responsibility on to a trusted professional.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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The Google and Apple App Stores generate ~$100 billion in annual revenue combined, and growing at about 25% per year. The App Stores are the greatest software distribution and monetization platforms ever created, second perhaps only to “The Internet” as a whole. Regulating the App Stores as some sort of utility sounds like the perfect way to stifle growth and make it more difficult and expensive to publish on the App…

...until it's your app that has been removed, your company that is going out of business, and the response from the rest of the technological world is, "Eh, collateral damage. Too bad."

I mean is this not literally the cost of business? I could think of a few things entirely outside of my company’s control that if happened would just straight up end our business within the week.
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