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exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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VSCode, exFat, and .Net core are not enormous. Their revenue streams are enormous and remain as close to their chest as ever.

Microsoft SQL Server on Linux indeed has enormous licensing costs.

Relative to what, though? Departmental budgets or MSFT's gross revenue?

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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post #64

So after abusing this bullshit for more than a decade to bully companies. How gracious and generous of them. Oh btw, Satya is the CEO for 5 years.

Stop shitting on them. We won the war. They’re mending their ways. It takes a long time to right such a large ship with levels upon levels of bureaucratic bullshit that’s been caked on for decades. It’s a WIP and they just granted a patent license to the OIN for fuck’s sake. Even 10 years ago this would have sounded like science fiction.

> Stop shitting on them.

Pointing out and remaining aware of their very relevant past is not 'shitting on them' so .... no?

> We won the war. They’re mending their ways.

"We" (?) are either there or not. The half-measures of mending continue at the pace of their choosing.

> Even 10 years ago this would have sounded like science fiction.

A strong point in favor of continued skepticism.

Nobody is calling Red Hat's Ansible Tower or other closed-source products some change of heart in the company and this is no exception in the reverse.

And I'd be grateful if my points could stand without being flagged this time for arbitrary reasons.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#263
post #62

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Linux itself creates a FAT partition for /boot, because the UEFI standard supports loading from FAT. As well, if you ever look at a live-CD (like the installers for most modern Linux distros are), it will usually be using SYSLINUX, which limits itself to 8.3 filenames, for various good reasons to do with floppies, PXE, and ISO9660. Mount an Ubuntu CD in Windows and you'll see them.

> UEFI standard supports > loading from FAT. Actually UEFI REQUIRES the bootable partition to be FAT (not not exFAT). UEFI also requires the executables to be in the COFF format ( instead of the normal ELF one ) too.

What makes ELF normal? Funnily COFF also comes from Unix.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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post #235

When will we have a modern file system that “just works” for read and write on Windows, Linux and Mac without the need to buy some proprietary product or depend on some open source option that may not be maintained or 100% reliable? Seems like going over the network is the easiest option for people who use multiple OSes, though it comes with incompatibilities in permissions, ownership and also comes with a speed hit.…

Doesn't UDF work?

Last time I tried it didn’t „just work“ across operating systems, with each showing different issues.

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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> I didn't hear back from prospective jobs that asked for a word format specifically This almost always means you're speaking to a recruiter who is going to strip your identity from the resume so they can hold it hostage for an agreed commission. This also puts your submission at a disadvantage because you're automatically 10% more expensive than the next guy. If you're submitting your job application, double check t…

I was lucky enough that I never had to apply for a job with such requirements, but how does one learn about stuff like this?

I had a really awesome boss who probably overshared about stuff like this but a lot of it also comes with general distrust in the business world. People are out to make a buck and they'll do it anyway they can. Every time you come across a business, consider how it works and where their profit comes from.

A tactic I've used in the past is buying a burner number (prepaid sim), called recruiters with a fake name, number and resume and asked them to provide details about the job which many of them name completely. The ones that don't generally indicate that other recruiters do exactly what I'm doing to them in order to steal clients.

I don't feel bad about screwing over an industry which has no place in the modern world, particularly when they're opportunistically trying to make a buck from me and/or my future company while adding very, very little value :)

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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Stop shitting on them. We won the war. They’re mending their ways. It takes a long time to right such a large ship with levels upon levels of bureaucratic bullshit that’s been caked on for decades. It’s a WIP and they just granted a patent license to the OIN for fuck’s sake. Even 10 years ago this would have sounded like science fiction.

I'm not so sure "we" won the war. If anything it's more like they mostly won the war (for the Enterprise Desktop, which is where the real money continues to be for them) and ALSO found a new SAAS/cloud empire and now they need to win the peace.

"now they need to win the peace."

Or the next war

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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post #158

Big deal! This is right up there with Adobe Premiere on Windows finally getting a ProRes encoder at the top of my list of "Things That Would've Helped My FilmTech Career Around 6 years ago". 1) We finally have a file system that works across operating systems, which is a big deal if you ever do anything in a multi-OS environment. 2) exFAT is heavily used in the film production world, and the convenience of knowing it…

fact that Microsoft is implementing it in the kernel should still be a huge help If you're trying to recover video (which is one of the easiest types of data to recover, due to it being large, sequentially written, and bitstreams containing easily recognisable sync markers), and especially from a storage device that's being exclusively used for video, the actual filesystem doesn't really matter because practically al…

Well of course, some file carving is what has gotten me out of a few messes in the past, including the one mentioned. But in a situation where a volume won't mount/read, it's nice to eliminate a poor implementation or FUSE issue as a potential variable in determining if there's actually a problem. (Or worse, introducing a new problem... I've seen that, too, especially in earlier days of exfat-fuse/exfat-utils.)

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

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I don't mean for this question to sound inflammatory but I can't help but think: why does this matter? You can already use exFAT on Linux via FUSE, and as pointed out by VentureBeat: > To be clear, Microsoft isn’t open-sourcing exFAT — but it is making sure anyone building with Linux can use it. 'It’s important to us that the Linux community can make use of exFAT included in the Linux kernel with confidence.' exFAT i…

exFAT will also be available on other devices like cameras android phones

Care to explain how?

Microsoft isn't giving away it's exFAT patents. They are merely suggesting, that everyone licensed them at Microsoft's own terms. Those terms include becoming a member of Microsoft-sponsored patent ring and agreeing to it's terms and conditions: https://www.openinventionnetwork.com/joining-oin/oin-license.... The conditions can be changed anytime (!!) and the patent license terminates if you sue Microsoft or any other OIN member for any patent violations whatsoever.

Nikon, ZTE, Xiaomi, Samsung and thousands of others (basically all, who were or still are patent-trolled by Microsoft) haven't magically become members of OIN, and it's unclear if they ever will.

Google and Red Hat are members, but neither produces any devices with external SD-cards...

Re: exFAT in the Linux kernel

#270
post #57

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No. The OIN promise only applies to Linux-based systems.

What defines a "Linux-based system"? Does Android count? Would VMWare's VSphere ESXi hypervisor count? Would a unikernel running on a pared-down Linux rump-kernel (if such a thing were made) count?

The definition of "Linux system" is a red herring.

If you haven't signed OIN licensing agreement, you do not receive any relevant patent grants, period.

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