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Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by martindale »

kerkeslager wrote: post #197

Looking into this only briefly, it didn't take long to find a lot of very questionable decisions made by Brave: 1. They're positioning themselves as both an advertiser and a privacy advocate[1], which strikes me as more of a strategy for bootstrapping revenue than a trustworthy moral position. The entire point of crypto micropayments is to pay for content with crypto rather than attention/privacy. Why should I view B…

They're just using privacy as a marketing tool, as user behavior can be tracked externally by observing the transactions on the network. Brave makes things objectively worse.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by martindale »

lukemulks wrote: post #72
lalaland1125 wrote: post #22

Can anyone explain why Brave uses BAT? As far as I can tell Brave would be much better if they used USD instead.

https://basicattentiontoken.org/faq/#why-not-bitcoin

This explanation shows a painfully shallow understanding of Bitcoin, if not an intentional bias. Bitcoin is capable of doing everything Brave would need, and they've been shown how to accomplish their goals multiple times by numerous disparate parties. I'm increasingly convinced Brave's leadership is opposed to the idea of self-determination, and is playing politics by making up these kinds of excuses.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by thekyle »

kerkeslager wrote: post #197

Looking into this only briefly, it didn't take long to find a lot of very questionable decisions made by Brave: 1. They're positioning themselves as both an advertiser and a privacy advocate[1], which strikes me as more of a strategy for bootstrapping revenue than a trustworthy moral position. The entire point of crypto micropayments is to pay for content with crypto rather than attention/privacy. Why should I view B…

> The entire concept of a Brave Verified Publisher stinks.

I agree. As much as I dislike how much control Google has over the web. I think it would be much worse if Brave were to catch on.

As far as I can tell the Brave verification system seems to be completely centralized and proprietary. If Brave became the de facto monetization strategy on the web then pretty much everyone would have to use the Brave browser. Websites might even start blocking others browsers to prevent lost revenue.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by marichards »

onyva wrote: post #155
zargon wrote: post #12

I really like what Brave is doing. I wish it was built on Firefox instead of Chromium. I just don't see myself leaving Firefox without major upheaval in the browser space.

Mozilla's focus is user's rights online and privacy. They have a track record doing that. Brave (AKA AdBuddy) is just another product, desperately looking for a revenue stream, notably believing contaminating all news regarding browser technology with its presence is the way to go. The last thing the world needs is a predatory vendor trying to force itself somewhere it's not needed. Its non existing market share is t…

Whatever Mozilla's focus is when you load Firefox you experience the following:

1. On ESR first time it loads two pages load including

https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/60.8.0/firstrun/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/

You then find first party cookies are set by Google Analytics

_ga GA1.2.1671101194.1567114471 _gat_UA-36116321-1 1 _gid GA1.2.377831647.1567114471

In the EU this would breach the ePrivacy Directive - as there is neither consent or information supplied in advance. Privacy is not just about information captured about you, but about privacy of what you have stored on your electronic devices.

Note: https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-bl... Myth 2: Analytics cookies are strictly necessary so we do not need consent

2. If you then type "privacy" into the address bar, it loads https://www.google.com/search?q=privacy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&cl... directing users into the most privacy invasive service on the internet with no advance warning. I now have a wealth of Google cookies from their search domain, but there are also cookies set for DoubleClick and Adservices.

I'm now enrolled into surveillance capitalism and all I did was open Firefox for the first time, type "privacy" and press enter.

Mozilla talk a lot about privacy, but their products and websites don't live up to the privacy standards we need and if anything they're on the wrong side of the fence when it comes to acting on privacy - they still make things worse and not better; although it has to be acknowledged that they have improved a lot with the tracking protection features that have slowly been making their way into Firefox.

You might find this interesting to read https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/11658588961766604...

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by throwaway13000 »

jonathansampson wrote: post #190
vesche wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never opt-in to ads even if there was some upside. That's like asking if I'd like to see billboards on a beautiful drive through Colorado and in return you'll throw some change in my center console. I'll just take the beautiful drive and you can keep the cash. > The machine-learning bits study your browsing habits in a private, non-leaky manner. I think everyone's been around the internet long enough to know…

Your beautiful drive through Colorado requires quite a bit of maintenance and financial support. Somebody has to pay for that. With Brave, Advertisers can pay for it (without getting hold of your data) by way of users. Alternatively, you may choose to "fund the roads" yourself by depositing your own tokens into Brave's wallet—that too is possible. Brave aims to sustain the roads that grant you access to that scenery.…

>>Your beautiful drive through Colorado requires quite a bit of maintenance and financial support. Somebody has to pay for that. With Brave, Advertisers can pay for it (without getting hold of your data) by way of users. Alternatively, you may choose to "fund the roads" yourself by depositing your own tokens into Brave's wallet—that too is possible.

Well, a lot of internet was built by people who want to share for sharing sake. Then companies figured there was money and so they started lining up those highways. Now, people do not have a decent way of knowing which highways have no ads. The equivalent is that people do not have a search engine which will send me only to sites which have no ads. Google has been spammed to death for every imaginable keyword. Every recommendation engine only shows based on eye balls.

If all these ad supported publishers die, we would have a much better internet where we can read genuine content, not some marketing based stuff. Hint: Look at the non ad supported Hacker news!

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by JohnTHaller »

qzw wrote: post #60
JohnTHaller wrote: post #39

We signed up for Brave's setup at PortableApps.com after a few users asked about it. They hold your last 90 days in escrow, so you can find out how successful it is once you sign up. We were looking at around 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users for that timeframe over the summer. And we can't even access it since Brave only works with one crypto provider and they aren't licensed in New York. The pr…

Thanks for sharing your real world experience. For the sake of clarity, is that a million monthly figure for your entire site or for just Brave users? If the former, would you be willing to share the number or percentage of Brave users?

All users. We don't track brave users as they block Google analytics. The users who requested we participate thought it would be a good way to get 'free money' from Brave users like them that we were leaving on the table. That's definitely not the case.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by randiantech »

Since Brave is usually roasted around here, I just want to say thanks to the devs. I'm a Brave user and the experience is fantastic. Two things: I was a Chrome user for many years, so switching to Brave was not traumatic at all (same user experience, plugin's compatibility) and also ad blockers work as expected. I've never pay attention to the included ad solution. Im not interested on it. Im strictly speaking as an end user.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by kerkeslager »

marichards wrote: post #204
onyva wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla's focus is user's rights online and privacy. They have a track record doing that. Brave (AKA AdBuddy) is just another product, desperately looking for a revenue stream, notably believing contaminating all news regarding browser technology with its presence is the way to go. The last thing the world needs is a predatory vendor trying to force itself somewhere it's not needed. Its non existing market share is t…

Whatever Mozilla's focus is when you load Firefox you experience the following: 1. On ESR first time it loads two pages load including https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/60.8.0/firstrun/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ You then find first party cookies are set by Google Analytics _ga GA1.2.1671101194.1567114471 _gat_UA-36116321-1 1 _gid GA1.2.377831647.1567114471 In the EU this would breach the ePri…

You're right.

Do you have a better solution? I'm not asking to be glib, I actually want a browser that does a better job of protecting my privacy.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by sedatk »

randiantech wrote: post #207

Since Brave is usually roasted around here, I just want to say thanks to the devs. I'm a Brave user and the experience is fantastic. Two things: I was a Chrome user for many years, so switching to Brave was not traumatic at all (same user experience, plugin's compatibility) and also ad blockers work as expected. I've never pay attention to the included ad solution. Im not interested on it. Im strictly speaking as an…

Did they fix the issue of pocketing the money on behalf of content creators who are not registered to Brave?
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