Looks like the scientific illiteracy sponsored by this country's education system is really starting to pay off!
Misinterpreting hurricane forecasts
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#32It's hard to know what the cone means because it's way too over-simplified and they really shouldn't have that line there. Of course people are going to be confused. Why can't it just be a color coated overlay where different colors mean different probabilities of the hurricanes path?
Even if you do know what the cone means, how are you supposed to act on it? What if I live 10 miles from the cone, should I prepare? How about 20 miles? 100 miles? 500 miles? 1,000 miles? And the idea I had doesn't really solve this problem either. How are you supposed to act on the probabilities? If there's a 50% chance, do I prepare? What about 20%? 10%? 5%? 1%? 0.1%?
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#33There are of course common sense things to do to be prepared: get bottled water, food, fill your bathtubs with water and a drop of bleach, make sure the car has a full tank of gas. We personally brought my grandparents down from Boca to stay with us. You can do those maybe a week, 4 days out before stores start to get really empty (grandparents can be moved earlier or later). If you have any coconuts palm trees, chop down your coconuts. These are common sense things to do if there's a remote possibility of a tropical storm or hurricane coming your way.
But I do think it's a little disingenuous to say that people didn't do enough to prepare if they lived on the west coast, given how quickly the path shifted. Partly because the NHC is generally so good at their predictions. If you saw the earlier map that had Irma going up east coast, and you were in Naples, you wouldn't think about moving, or at least I wouldn't. Our buildings, especially the newer ones, are built to withstand at least some level of wind. My house built in the 90s has held up through multiple Category 3s (Charlie and Wilma). It's of course all luck, and I know plenty of other houses that have had damage, parts of the roof torn off, shattered windows, though nothing catastrophic, built around the same time. I've driven through the outer bands of a tropical storm (not that you should, but I was in high school and we had a back to school party the night before, and I wanted the car to be home).
That's not to disparage the work of the NHC. They're great at what they do, and I read pretty much every advisory for every hurricane that's in the Atlantic. When you've got no place to go, a hurricane bearing down on you is a very scary thing. But if I'm in Naples, and 4 days out it looks like it's heading towards Ft. Lauderdale? I'm not making plans to move.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of scientific literacy would make this obvious? They need a better presentation.
confidence intervals...
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#35This article is a little bit misleading, unless I am misinterpreting his pictures. But that would be horrible for an article trying to explain pictures. Here is the graphical archive for all 5 day forecasts of Irma: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2017/IRMA_graphics.php?prod... Now note the image that the article depicts for Hurricane Irma with this text: "These misunderstandings have real-world consequences. As Hur…
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#36For this exact reason, the image of the cone on the NHC website [0] has the following disclaimer on the top: "Note: The cone contains the probable path of the storm center but does not show the size of the storm. Hazardous conditions can occur outside of the cone." But apparently media organisations repost that image without the added disclaimer. [0]: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/144746.s...
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#37"The National Hurricane Center says cones will contain the path of the storm center only 60 to 70 percent of the time" Sounds like the communications fix is easy. Increase the uncertainty to 90-95% which also increases the cone size. And make it blood red and tell anyone inside the red that they need to be prepared. "Hurricanes are also hundreds of miles wide, and the cone shows only the possible path of the storm’s…
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#38(This final graphic is an amalgamation of all the useful comments I got on the original thread. It was a really cool experience getting so much feedback so fast, like a giant collaboration with all of Reddit. You can see the original not-so-beautiful here. [2])
[1] https://github.com/savagedata/hurricane-animation
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/6z0w20/tim...
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#39"The National Hurricane Center says cones will contain the path of the storm center only 60 to 70 percent of the time" Sounds like the communications fix is easy. Increase the uncertainty to 90-95% which also increases the cone size. And make it blood red and tell anyone inside the red that they need to be prepared. "Hurricanes are also hundreds of miles wide, and the cone shows only the possible path of the storm’s…
What officials (and the news) need to do is tell everyone to hold tight until 3 days out, and then start making decisions.
People also need to understand their personal situation. If an area floods during a summer rain storm or simply when the tide is high, then they need to be extra cautious.
The other problem is that many people simply have no idea what it's like to go through a hurricane. The mass migration to the coast means large parts of the population do not have the experience to make informed decisions. This goes back that officials and the news need to do a better job at informing.
My personal rule to consider evacuating is a cat 4+ predicted direct hit or just south and it is less than 48 hours out.
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#40I grew up in South Florida, and I'm surprised to hear people think the storm is getting bigger over time. I guess that's just something you grow up with knowing down there. People on the west coast tell me they're terrified of hurricanes, and I'm terrified of earthquakes. You can generally get out of the way of a hurricane if you feel you need to... There are of course common sense things to do to be prepared: get bo…