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U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory: Marijuana Use and the Developing Brain

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I’m curious, has there been any related deaths to cannabis usage? Why is this plant illegal when Alcohol has killed millions?

Alcohol is legal because it's impossible to ban it seeing as you can make it from anything that has sugar in it, which is basically all foods. If cannibis were used as much as alcohol in driving settings, I'm certain there would be thousands of annual DUI deaths.

I'd be willing to bet there's overall more miles of people driving stoned then drunk.

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Abuse of any intoxicant can be recognized by a pattern of doing that intoxicant everyday in quantites strong enough to provoke habituatiom and tolerance.

People will say alcohol does stand up to this. Perhaps functional alcoholism is better tolerated by society at large, but there is absolutely no one who will not build a tolerance to alcohol if they drink everyday.

And a rampant epidemic of anxiety can be attributed to habitual and aggresive overuse of daily caffiene.

All stimulants cause anxiety at a point as surely as all depressants cause depression.

One can mamage a non problematic relationship with these substances in moderation. But daily habitual use lends itself to tomerance and immoderation.

While withdrawal is not always highly problematic and sometimes barely even recognizeable, its exists. One might consider that refraining from daily use of any substance is highly adviseable.

The jury now seems to be in that skipping food altogether a day here and there is very healthy.

The mind gut liver and immune system are all connected with our intake and processing of substances , psychoactive and otherwise.

Ita good to give them a break from any routine useage of anything.

Self titrating a substance to the point that you have control over daily doesage administration is medicalizing your use. Even some people develop problems with 'legal' medication. And its not often medicines are reccomended for an every other day use...but why is that? The idea of do no harm is, if you dont need something persistently in your system than perhaps you dont need it on a medically necessary basis, side Effects be damned.

Thus, try not to do pot two days in a row and never three days and you should avoid the worst of its side effects assuming you dont binge on days your partake.

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Is there a listed Median Lethal Dose (LD50) for THC or CBD? It is possible to overdose on nicotine if it's ingested (50mg ~60mg for a 150lbs adult, according to the CDC's website), but I'm not sure if there is such an amount defined for THC ingestion.

For THC it's somewhere around your own body weight. I suppose you might get the munchies real bad and OD. Don't bake a dozen hash carrot cakes with cream cheese icing all at one time.

I'm not sure there is real harm in baking a dozen hash carrot cakes. Just don't eat them all.

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> as a result developed schizophrenia I'm sorry about your brother, but I want to point out this is anecdotal. Can cannibals lead to psychosis in people who are prone to it genetically, or are people who start experiencing delusions, bipolar and schizo-effective conditions just likely to escape using alcohol and marijuana? The exact cause/effect conditions here are a big unknown.

Can we stop with the downplaying when it comes to drugs? Drugs should be guilty until proven innocent. Comments like these attempt to make them innocent until proven guilty. History has shown that there are very few "safe" recreational drugs. This attitude is one of the reasons it was so hard for public opinion to change on tobacco usage. "My mom died of cancer from smoking tobacco" "Sorry about your mom, but I want…

Meanwhile we all keep ignoring that the booze industry has worked tirelessly to make sure we use the phrase "drugs and alcohol" so alcohol isn't recognized as a drug by most of the population

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drugabuse.gov should probably not be considered an un-biased source on the topic of drugs of abuse. Some of their material will be propaganda and FUD.

your statement is soundly countered in a similarly unsupported opinion above. You may not like their domain name but the paper and science behind it appear pretty sound.

Right, because it's clearly the domain name I take issue with, and not at all the literal lies that have been published under it.

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These are all reasonable things. Legalizing it will drastically mitigate the ability for minors to get a hold of any just as was done with the much more dangerous and deadly drug, alcohol.

> Legalizing it will drastically mitigate the ability for minors to get a hold of any I can't tell if you are joking or not (sorry). But I simply don't believe this. Why would legalizing it make it harder for minors to get ahold of it?

When one is underage, it is easier to get illegal drugs than legal ones. The legality makes different sorts of barriers and different sorts of penalties for selling to a minor. I'm not sure it mattered if you were (are) selling pot to a 18 year old rather than a 30 year old - you were still selling pot. You would get in trouble for giving an 18 year old alcohol, though, but not the 30 year old. And a bunch of things like this.

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These are all reasonable things. Legalizing it will drastically mitigate the ability for minors to get a hold of any just as was done with the much more dangerous and deadly drug, alcohol.

> Legalizing it will drastically mitigate the ability for minors to get a hold of any I can't tell if you are joking or not (sorry). But I simply don't believe this. Why would legalizing it make it harder for minors to get ahold of it?

This Washington Post article says that teen drug use is down in Colorado after they passed marijuana legalization: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/11/follo.... I think it's due to the reasons that others have mentioned - that minors can't buy it illegally from stores and the drug dealers they used to buy from are now irrelevant.

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My brother smoked heavily during his teens and as a result developed schizophrenia / substance induced psychosis. It was generally terrifying to see him unable to complete thoughts and lose his train of thought. He's fine now but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if you told me those years knocked a couple of points off his IQ. I'm for decriminalization and legalization but at the core we need funding for long term…

Disappointed in the comments here. There are NO studies involving psychosis and schizophrenia that factor in weed actually helping (hint: it contains an antipsychotic). Schizophrenia involves a defect in the gene responsible for producing the protein FABP5[1] which delivers our bodies naturally produced cannabinoids (eg, Anandamide and 2AG) to where they're needed[2]. Therefore it is not surprising there is a 'link' between those using cannabis and mental illness: flooding the bloodstream with cannabinoids somewhat makes up for the deficit in endocannabinoid delivery.

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240203

2. https://www.wnypapers.com/news/article/current/2018/03/15/13...

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> as a result developed schizophrenia I'm sorry about your brother, but I want to point out this is anecdotal. Can cannibals lead to psychosis in people who are prone to it genetically, or are people who start experiencing delusions, bipolar and schizo-effective conditions just likely to escape using alcohol and marijuana? The exact cause/effect conditions here are a big unknown.

Not the OP, but this is not anecdotal. Weed can develop schizophrenia in 4-5% of the population that carries a specific gene. Ref: https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mari...

Wow what a paragon of truth and levelheaded reason, posting some propaganda article that any dumbass can poke holes in and which every dumbass has poked holes in. I love society now, and all of its earnest regard for public discourse and truth instead of just commies, who think they know whats best for everyone, marketing their worldview at any cost.

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My brother smoked heavily during his teens and as a result developed schizophrenia / substance induced psychosis. It was generally terrifying to see him unable to complete thoughts and lose his train of thought. He's fine now but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if you told me those years knocked a couple of points off his IQ. I'm for decriminalization and legalization but at the core we need funding for long term…

It totally weirds me out how defensive people are about your anecdote here. Talking to any clinical psychotherapist dealing with young adults, you will hear lots of stories about weed-induced psychosis and anxiety. What I wonder is why it matters to people that it's not as safe as they may believe? Cognitive dissonance? We do lots of unsafe things.

I think this is essentially a tribal, not a logical issue. A nuanced view is not welcome on these kinds of issues, you're either with us or against us.

You can be against the prohibition of marijuana while also thinking it's a bad idea to smoke it all the time, or at all. Laws don't have to match your personal beliefs.

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