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MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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The ability to modify literally anything you can interact with is amazing on linux. However.... it's also very time consuming, so I basically never do that. Linux out of the box without tweaking it will have a lot of behavior you may or may not agree with. I found it to be very difficult to adjust away from the cohesive interfaces found on the mac—you can use readline keybindings on all forms, which only very rarely…

> Linux out of the box without tweaking it will have a lot of behavior you may or may not agree with I hear this from people who choose to use arch and Gentoo then complain that Linux requires much tweaking. Install Ubuntu and be done with it. Or if you want things to work like a Mac, go with elementary OS. If you still feel it's not _exactly_ to your liking, then I suggest you move back to osx.

> Install Ubuntu and be done with it.

Thinking this is real is a huge problem in the linux community. My entire post was about ubuntu. This is their trackpad guide in 2019: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad

Stuff like that makes me wonder who Canonical's target audience is and who they're testing with.

> Or if you want things to work like a Mac, go with elementary OS.

This is a joke, right? It's basically some high quality apps (I can't emphasize that enough) and a skin. The issue isn't the quality of those apps, it's that the desktop paradigm is fundamentally different and wedded to the PC. I can't understand anyone who claims to have switched and gotten up to productivity within a few years—maybe I've been using macs too long.

Also, this type of hostility has a very chilling effect. I have had good experiences with the open source community personally, but public forums are utterly toxic to people who express opinions about gnu/linux/gnome/kde.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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All I want is 32G memory. Literally just do that, keep everything else identical and I will spend $3k to buy a new one.

I think the late 2011 unibody is the best Macbook they ever made. Easily opened up, with nearly everything replaceable. Pleasant to work with. Their last lineup that had a 17 inch model available. Only downside: noisy fans. I replaced them, bit that didn't fix it. Give me one with quieter fans and maybe a slightly more up to date processor, and I'm happy.

Frustratingly, to me at least, that one didn't have an HDMI port, requiring a dongle.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Sorry, but when you throw around $2000 you'd expect a better product. Especially when you come from an older version of the device. And every customer has the right to complain about this. So no, they won't leave you in peace - they got every right to do so. Apple did a bad thing and took years to recognize it. (typing on a mechanical keyboard attached to a Thinkpad T480)

Sorry, but Apple did a really great thing with this keyboard. I absolutely love it, and its a shame that its going away because people like to complain on the internet.

You seem to be in the minority. I dislike the new keyboard a lot, and looking up info about the new keyboards online almost all of the posts and articles are negative.

https://www.macworld.com/article/3385043/apple-apology-macbo...

https://theoutline.com/post/7315/apple-keyboards-still-suck-...

https://theoutline.com/post/2402/the-new-macbook-keyboard-is...

https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/01/an-ode-to-apples-awful-mac...

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/macbook-keyboard-flaw-vid...

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/macbook-keyboard-fail

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/27/18284042/apple-macbook-ke...

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Go give windows a try and report back. I've been using Windows for the past couple of weeks and, granted maybe I haven't really given it a chance, using it after using Macs for 10+ years is not great. Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file. Displaying UI at a reasonable scale . Think what you…

> Displaying UI at a reasonable scale. It's amazing how bad Windows still is at this. In my experience, connecting monitors of different densities results in crazy things breaking, like the "maximize window" feature.

I have a different experience. I connect to 3x HD monitors at work, one of which is portrait. At home I connect to a 3K monitor and a portrait 1980x1200 one. All works flawlessly for me.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Go give windows a try and report back. I've been using Windows for the past couple of weeks and, granted maybe I haven't really given it a chance, using it after using Macs for 10+ years is not great. Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. Taking a screenshot. Opening the right file. Displaying UI at a reasonable scale . Think what you…

> Maybe developing on macOS has become a hassle (I don't see that, but sure), but doing everything on Windows is a hassle. I have Windows installed on a Bootcamp partition on my Macbook Pro. Aside from the hassle and quirks of a different operating systems (coming from MacOS I find Windows extremely lacking in UX), I find perplexing the way Windows handles color profiles. Same computer, same screen, but everything is…

I run Windows in Bootcamp too, but gods the keyboard and especially the trackpad are horrendous. I have the 2016 model, and hate the keyboard even in MacOS, but it's really obvious that Apple have deliberately crippled the Windows drivers.

I eventually came across trackpad++, which at least renders it usable, but still unpleasant - I travel with a USB mouse these days (sigh, which obviously means a USB dongle for the MBP...).

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The Surface Book 2 is no question, hands-down one of the best pieces of kit I've ever ever owned, it's a phenomenal machine and I've not regretted moving back to Windows for a single second (except for a decent terminal, but that's almost here too)

Check out Cmder[1]. Best terminal replacement I've used on Windows. 1: https://cmder.net/

Can echo this - I've used it for years on Windows, and find it better than iTerm or anything else on MacOS

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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I'm off the Apple train. I honestly don't trust them to make reliable hardware anymore. They've had three years to fix this mess but they have shown zero initiative or intention to do it. Apple has consistently shown that it cares more about form over function. No one needs their laptops to be any thinner than they already are. And no one needs the useless, expensive touchbar.

What train are you boarding on ? Apple was an oasis of reliable design because short of Lenovo and Dell other brands were horrible in critical ways(e.g. no decent *nix support, or lack of decent international keyboard), and Thinkpads have a very opinionated design to put it mildly, leaving only Dell for a lot of us. I kinda hate the current crop of MacBooks, but I am not sure I want a Dell either. For people listenin…

What's wrong with Dell? Their XPS and Precision lines are good, and have Linux support.

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I don't get what people have with apple's trackpad. I once got some second hand macbook air or something for work, and it felt like sliding my finger on a fine grained sandpaper. A jarring experience that I didn't like. Pretty much anything else I ever used was more pleasant than that.

They are typically glass smooth, like an iPhone. Someone must have tried cleaning the one you have with some sort of abrasive or something.

I doubt it. It would look uneven or left some marks on the chasis nearby, and whatnot.

The chasis did have abrasive finish too. I'm quite sensitive to abrasive surfaces, they give me chills.

Anyway, maybe I'm misremembering and it was just the chasis. Nevertheless it was a very unpleasant computer.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Another way around this for power users and devs that a lot of people seem to overlook is to get a 6-core Mac Mini and a mechanical keyboard. With a retina monitor, it's a great combination. As a touch typist and massive terminal keybindings user, I won't compromise on the keyboard. Apple needs to wake up and realise which slice of their market they are alienating. I'd say it's the most important one—the developers a…

> With a retina monitor, it's a great combination. Sadly, the Retina monitor segment is a complete failure. Several 5K screens came out in 2015, along with the 27" Retina iMac, ... and then the market died off. The UltraFine 5K is finally available again, but it's being sold at 2015 prices (1400€ here). At that point you might as well get an iMac with eight cores, a dedicated GPU, and a semi-replaceable hard drive in…

In that scenario though, wouldn't it be better to wait a little while until 5k monitors price drop?
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