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Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by snek » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:15 PM UTC

chance_state wrote: post #47

snek wrote: post #33

Does brave still suck up money from people even when the site owner hasn't set up brave payments?

I think the answer is "not anymore" based on what's in their FAQ. > Publishers must verify ownership of their properties with Brave in order to receive contributions from Brave users. If a publisher has not verified ownership, then a user’s contributions will be held in reserve inside the browser for 90 days. The browser routinely updates an internal list of all verified publishers to determine whether a property can…

I'm glad to hear it

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by jsgo » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

bsclifton wrote: post #28

zargon wrote: post #12

I really like what Brave is doing. I wish it was built on Firefox instead of Chromium. I just don't see myself leaving Firefox without major upheaval in the browser space.

(Brave employee here) Curious: what are some of the shortfalls you see in Chromium? Before I joined Brave, the desktop browser was originally using Gecko (from Firefox). Ultimately, there were some problems and the decision was made to move to Chromium. On iOS, Brave is forked from Firefox though You can check out more detail on Reddit where folks asked why FF was not used (which has links to more detailed info): htt…

Not OP, but I'd imagine that it is Brave seems to be a browser that advocates for the user (and presumably in the future, publishers too with the pay thing). As such, the ideals seem more aligned with Firefox than Chrome (and by extension, Chromium).

Basically, you guys are in a weird space where your decisions aren't looked at purely from a technical lens, but also an ideological one.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by jonathansampson » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #38

snek wrote: post #33

Does brave still suck up money from people even when the site owner hasn't set up brave payments?

And not just that, they’ve moved/are moving to a model of displaying their own ads instead, which are invariably for some scammy crypto-of-the-day which even FB and Google ban from their ad platforms

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Brave has 2 ad-models (one still in the works). First, the User Model. In this model, user's must first opt-in to participate. If/when they do, advertisements are shown (at a user-controllable rate) as OS notifications. When a notification is shown, 70% of the revenue is deposited into the user's wallet.

The second model is the Publisher Model; this is in the works now. Under this model, Publishers will be able to opt-in the system as well, and have ads displayed on their pages. Under this model, publishers receive 70%, and the user receives 15%. But both models require consent before any ads are displayed.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by jonathansampson » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

jchw wrote: post #19

zargon wrote: post #12

I really like what Brave is doing. I wish it was built on Firefox instead of Chromium. I just don't see myself leaving Firefox without major upheaval in the browser space.

IIRC it was actually originally Firefox. I wonder what exactly made them switch?

This is correct. Note that both of our founders are from the Firefox team originally. Our CTO, Brian Bondy, originally built the first Brave prototype on the Gecko engine. Unfortunately, after much testing, it was clear that a modified Chromium would be the better route forward. You can imagine this was not a decision taken lightly, as both of these individuals have lived and breathed Gecko/Mozilla for years prior.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by trpc » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

jonathansampson wrote: post #35

trpc wrote: post #18

1. Build a theme over Chromium 2. Add your ads and tracking system over it 3. Brand it as "X Browser" This is not a browser, this is a skin over Chrome with a business model that's built over a crypto scam. Your army of online shills and your attempts to connect yourselves with reputable online entities such as Wikipedia won't change that fact.

Brave isn't a theme to Chromium. We've made numerous changes to the underlying bits to strip out (or modify) anything that is not aligned with our principles of user-first, private and secure by default, and "Can't be evil." Before Brave, users were already installing ad and tracker blockers in large numbers. By 2015 over 600 million devices were blocking. This is the result of an entire set of technologies evolving…

Please don't speak as if you give a single damn about publishers. """Your""" adblocking system blocks the ads that publishers get revenue from, you're simply saying, YOU CAN ONLY MAKE MONEY THROUGH US. WITH OUR VIRTUAL WORTHLESS CRYPTOCURRENCY. With enough users, your worthless cryptocurrency won't become worthless anymore.

The entire business model is disgusting and should be illegal to be honest.You're rebranding an entire huge project called Chromium and simply blocking revenues for publishers and wasting ads of advertisers unless they advertise and see ads THROUGH YOU and publishers get revenues through your worthless crypto-currency/

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by songshuu » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:20 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #38

snek wrote: post #33

Does brave still suck up money from people even when the site owner hasn't set up brave payments?

And not just that, they’ve moved/are moving to a model of displaying their own ads instead, which are invariably for some scammy crypto-of-the-day which even FB and Google ban from their ad platforms

That's simply false. They don't do ad replacement.

You have to volunteer yourself to receive ads and they come in like system notifications, not anywhere near the content.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by bilucy » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:20 PM UTC

songshuu wrote: post #43

bilucy wrote: post #32

BAT token is tradable on exchanges, and price floats and is unstable. Donation receivers need to worry about exchange rates risk - https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/basic-attention-token How about USD or USD stable currencies for this?

Does BAT fluctuate that much? Lately I see one of two things : 1. The market is up, BAT loses value because BTC sucks all the air out of the room with n00b investors. 2. The market is down, BAT loses value because BTC valuation scares off investors. Otherwise, Brave/BAT team can announce features & partnerships all day long and the price literally never budges.

Exactly it. An ICO was done and it is openly traded, there is going to be fluctuation whether up/down it is still an FX risk for receivers of BAT. Until we see more goods and services payable with BAT, it will a problem

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by trpc » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:21 PM UTC

bsclifton wrote: post #42

trpc wrote: post #18

1. Build a theme over Chromium 2. Add your ads and tracking system over it 3. Brand it as "X Browser" This is not a browser, this is a skin over Chrome with a business model that's built over a crypto scam. Your army of online shills and your attempts to connect yourselves with reputable online entities such as Wikipedia won't change that fact.

(Brave employee here) The Rewards feature of Brave is what allows users to pay creators and also opt-into ads. This feature is completely optional though. It's off by default and users never get bothered about it Brave is actually a proper fork of the Chromium code-base and builds on top of it, which is a lot more involved than a theme. The work that's been done is fairly significant if you wanted to give it a try. E…

Would you please tell your CEO to stop the shilling campaign on 4chan? this thing has become so smelly that you should stop it once and for all.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by jonathansampson » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

JohnTHaller wrote: post #39

We signed up for Brave's setup at PortableApps.com after a few users asked about it. They hold your last 90 days in escrow, so you can find out how successful it is once you sign up. We were looking at around 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users for that timeframe over the summer. And we can't even access it since Brave only works with one crypto provider and they aren't licensed in New York. The pr…

Uphold is working hard to acquire the bitlicense for New York. They shared on Twitter earlier this month that they hope to have this resolved soon.

It's worth noting that Creators also have a referral program whereby $5 in BAT can be earned for each user brought to the Brave platform. brave.com/refer

Thank you for your incredible patience and participation. We hope to see positive developments on the bitlicense front soon. Please do let us know if there is ever anything we can do for you in the interim.

Re: Wikipedia Is Now a Brave Verified Publisher

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Post by qzw » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

JohnTHaller wrote: post #39

We signed up for Brave's setup at PortableApps.com after a few users asked about it. They hold your last 90 days in escrow, so you can find out how successful it is once you sign up. We were looking at around 10 cents a day for a bit under a million monthly users for that timeframe over the summer. And we can't even access it since Brave only works with one crypto provider and they aren't licensed in New York. The pr…

Thanks for sharing your real world experience. For the sake of clarity, is that a million monthly figure for your entire site or for just Brave users? If the former, would you be willing to share the number or percentage of Brave users?