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Re: Thank you, Chris

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Chris was great from what I have seen, but I think Mozilla needs a CEO that knows how to increase market share.

Mozilla is now openly peeing in Google's punch all the while being dependent on piles of money they take from it. At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement. They won't be the default search provider, but that will play to their advantage - Firefox out-of-the-box user experience will take a sharp nose dive. Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a…

I use DDG almost exclusively and I haven't noticed the difference.

If having Google as the default search is so important, couldn't they just make it the default without the deal?

Re: Thank you, Chris

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The hard part will be doing it while not running afoul of the ethical standard that they have set for themselves, and so many of us hold them to. It's easy to increase market share if you're willing to play dirty and have lots of money to throw around. When you have neither... well, I'd hate to be the new CEO.

They need a killer feature. Firefox used to be the only better alternative to IE. Then Chrome came along and it used to be the best at tabs and resources. Then Brave came along with automatic ad-blocking. Firefox needs to match the competition and surpass it. What would the next killer feature be?

For me, the killer feature is multi-account containers. Unfortunately, the support for them isn't great.

Re: Thank you, Chris

#53

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Downvoting is nice, explaining why is better. I guess you have made more effort than me and thus have better proposals for making mozilla sustainable? Where can I read them? Oh or you actually downvoted only because of the first sentence Is he jumping out of the ship before it sinks? Because it made you feel bad despite being statistically factual and not an opinion?

Again no explanation, this is childish.

Okay, I'll bite.

Having two implementations of a browser engine is a good thing. Without competing implementations, we're writing Chrome apps, not web apps. The important difference there is that monopolies are self-sustaining and that competition prevents Google from exercising complete control over the Web without some other player having a say in it.

I think you might realize this, although your GitHub post was inflammatory and showed little understanding of why monocultures are a bad thing. Unfortunately, while I'm not intimately familiar with either codebase, I don't think it's an economically viable solution to pick and choose Chromium or Blink components to integrate into Gecko. Skia (for example) is sufficiently decoupled from Blink (having been written before Chrome was released) that it's more efficient to include it instead of rewriting a custom graphics library for Firefox. The same is not true of most parts of Chromium.

> Open source is about mutualising working force, creating together synergies and about NOT duplicating efforts and reinventing the wheel.

I don't think this is a standard way of looking at open source. Reinventing the wheel is not what Firefox is doing; it's been around longer than Chrome has! Competition fosters innovation.

> I am not asking mozilla to drop everything, to jump on the chromium ship, to improve it through beautiful collaboration, to bring the best strengths of gecko to chromium for the benefit of everybody and to maintain a soft fork of chromium to apply patch where mozilla disagree with some political choices. Sadly I am not asking for such a collaboration as I believe that mozilla is not ready for that even if it is the rational choice for a greater good (user experience).

You and most people on HN seem to have differing opinions as to the "greater good". A "beautiful collaboration" is a solid concept, but all it would do would be to allow Google to exercise more control over the Web.

> Does this means that mozilla has to continue duplicating each feature in gecko? That the feature gap between blink and gecko will continue to increase until webmasters decide it's too much and ask FF users to install a browser that supports modern web standards? And once it happen, the decades of works put into gekco will be useless for ever?

You seem to see a much larger gap between Chrome and Firefox than the rest of us do. Do you have some examples of "modern web standards" that Firefox can't implement?

Your idea of the "missing features" in Firefox needs some actual evidence before I can take your argument seriously.

Re: Thank you, Chris

#54

I made a proposal for making mozilla sustainable: https://github.com/servo/servo/issues/24026 I would like to hear feedback.

Why is this posted on the servo issue tracker?

I have no good reason, bugzilla was not responsive at all on my android and I wasn't aware of mailing lists.

Anyway nobody tell what they think about it despite being what really matters..

Re: Thank you, Chris

#55

Chris was great from what I have seen, but I think Mozilla needs a CEO that knows how to increase market share.

Mozilla is now openly peeing in Google's punch all the while being dependent on piles of money they take from it. At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement. They won't be the default search provider, but that will play to their advantage - Firefox out-of-the-box user experience will take a sharp nose dive. Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a…

"Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a candle to Google's search quality. "

Sadly I agree. I use DDG almost exclusively but when ever I use "!g" I often get better results there.

Re: Thank you, Chris

#56

Chris was great from what I have seen, but I think Mozilla needs a CEO that knows how to increase market share.

Mozilla is now openly peeing in Google's punch all the while being dependent on piles of money they take from it. At some point Google will get tired of this and will withdraw from the agreement. They won't be the default search provider, but that will play to their advantage - Firefox out-of-the-box user experience will take a sharp nose dive. Say all you want about DDG and alternatives, but they still can't hold a…

How about startpage as an alternative? It's literally just Google results

Re: Thank you, Chris

#57
Using chance to comment, even though I like Firefox a lot and writing this comment from Firefox, I am switching to Chrome in Android.

Every time when I need to pay something web sites redirect me to my bank site, which has good mobile app, Firefox doesn't open necessary app, which forces me to log in again and again from browser, Chrome opens banking app, where I already have all things set up.

This is one example of how Firefox Android is annoying, please fix, or keep losing 90% of your market share, because people on mobile want this simple feature by default.

Re: Thank you, Chris

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Again no explanation, this is childish.

HN's guidelines have been developed over 10+ years and give good guidance as to what kinds of comments are well-received here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I see nothing in the guidelines that relates to the original comment.

Re: Thank you, Chris

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They need a killer feature. Firefox used to be the only better alternative to IE. Then Chrome came along and it used to be the best at tabs and resources. Then Brave came along with automatic ad-blocking. Firefox needs to match the competition and surpass it. What would the next killer feature be?

For me, the killer feature is multi-account containers. Unfortunately, the support for them isn't great.

Mozilla, please oh please have Firefox Sync support Multi-account containers. I have way too many settings and redirects configured with MAC and Cookie Auto-Delete to work with MAC that I dread having to switch to another computer.

Re: Thank you, Chris

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post #53

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Again no explanation, this is childish.

Okay, I'll bite. Having two implementations of a browser engine is a good thing. Without competing implementations, we're writing Chrome apps , not web apps . The important difference there is that monopolies are self-sustaining and that competition prevents Google from exercising complete control over the Web without some other player having a say in it. I think you might realize this, although your GitHub post was…

I'll add to this:

In 2007 (!) Robert O'Callahan, one of the major developers of Gecko, was advocating internally to drop Gecko and replace it with WebKit in Firefox. Instead of exposing a big rift publicly, he posted hashes of his thoughts. Last year, he finally revealed what he had written and accompanied the reveal with some commentary that he now believes that to follow that path would have been a mistake: https://robert.ocallahan.org/2018/01/ancient-browser-wars-hi...

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