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Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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Post by pingyong »

tapland wrote: post #160
dollar wrote: post #3

The easiest way to identify a monopoly is to look at how badly a company can treat its customers and still get away with it. My company has a half dozen stories like this about Google in the last year alone. Know what Google is doing to its AdSense partners on a massive scale? They wait until your site has just under the earnings when they have to write you a check, then they terminate your AdSense account for “polic…

Two of the admins in our new WoW-guild got banned by Discord for inviting guild applicants (who had submitted forms asking to be invited) to our server. After a few messages there is phone verification and then after continuing to send out the accounts were banned. Contacting support was just a big 'we confirm the terms of service breach and we so not reinstate accounts'. Those accounts were in some cases the sole ad…

>But there is no alternative service people want to use.

I guess I'm lucky that almost all my friends vastly prefer TS3. Being on servers that aren't self-hosted at the mercy of random bans etc. always makes me uncomfortable.

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Post by bwooceli »

tinus_hn wrote: post #86

Surprisingly he never mentioned what the actual violation was, nor of him asking what it was.

Yeah, there's a bit of a fog around this. He sets it up very nicely and gets the sympathetic emotions going and kind of sneaks in "4 similar apps" were the cause of the account suspension. I have no doubts that MonTransit is above board, it looks great, but about those other "similar apps"... no detail provided

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Post by benologist »

forcer wrote: post #15

We were suspended once for serving deceptive ads. Yet the only ad network we use is Google Adsense. We had to remove Google Ads to be allowed back in.

I had apps removed for not describing them as containing ads because Google at that time was busy undermining the definition by defining basically any link to anything as advertising.

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Post by cameronbrown »

GhettoMaestro wrote: post #284
echelon wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to live in your locked-down Disney with the death sentence world. That's fine for you to want it, but don't impose it on me. I want freedom and liberty to do what I want with the devices I own. I want to develop without fear that these two megacorps can shut me down on a whim for developing something against their ideology. The web isn't like that. Windows wasn't like that. Today we live in a Fischer-Pri…

Your ideal state of Internet / Tech companies is definitely in the minority contrasted to overall expectations the broader population has put on these devices and services. Yeah, we get it, you're smart. I'm smart. Most people here are smart. But protections still matter. What you're saying is I don't want to wear a seatbelt when driving my car. Sure that is your choice - but I think it is a very foolish one.

There's no reason the App Store can't hang around, we just want the ability to sideload. Comparing it to not wearing a seatbelt is a straw man, as it's more like being able to use your car however you like without the manufacturer's say so.

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Post by ceejayoz »

oblio wrote: post #282
ceejayoz wrote: post #229

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That's basically how "your mom" got 800 different browser toolbars installed. The people who tend to "void the warranty" tend to be the least equipped to evaluate the pros/cons of doing so.

I didn't mean "your mom" as an insult, he literally said his mother did X and Y...

I'm not saying they meant it as an insult.

I'm saying the end result winds up being the opposite of the ideal scenario OP's setting up - the people least prepared to evaluate the dangers of side-loading stuff are the most likely to go and do it.

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Post by de_watcher »

anewguy9000 wrote: post #198
tapland wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two of the admins in our new WoW-guild got banned by Discord for inviting guild applicants (who had submitted forms asking to be invited) to our server. After a few messages there is phone verification and then after continuing to send out the accounts were banned. Contacting support was just a big 'we confirm the terms of service breach and we so not reinstate accounts'. Those accounts were in some cases the sole ad…

exactly. people are noticing it with google but its all tech companies where your only point of contact is an email address. paypal, uber, facebook, steam, etc etc -- they all deny service to innocent people on a regular basis with no recourse for them. it reminds me of pre social justice movement. isnt it the business' right to deny service to anyone they want to? like all black people? actually, no.

Steam is actually good at supporting for now.

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Post by Aeolun »

dahfizz wrote: post #259
Aeolun wrote: post #227

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I do not think a market share of 90% in most markets is ‘significant competition’, especially when the markup on any non-google phone can easily be 1000%

If you created a startup that grew to take 10% of a global market, would you consider your business to be insignificant? > especially when the markup on any non-google phone can easily be 1000%. I'm not really sure I understand. The newest Google pixel and iPhone are similarly priced. Unless by "Google phone" you mean Android, in which case yes apple lacks choice on the low end but 10x is still a bit of an exaggerati…

I’m arguing that one competitor is not significant competition.

This competitor is also in a completely different market segment.

Is there anything but Google (for this purpose I count anything with Google Play) in the <$400 market?

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Post by jrochkind1 »

amyjess wrote: post #283
omaranto wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PWA = Progressive Web App ---"progressive" seems to mean it uses some relatively recent additions to browsers to make the app feel more like a native app. (In case others didn't know either.)

"Progressive" in this case means it uses progressive enhancement: it'll work even if your browser doesn't have those additions (though QoL won't be as nice), and it also uses responsive design such that it's just as useful on desktop as on mobile. The new Twitter is a good example of a PWA.

Viewing mostly on desktop, I hate the new twitter and wish the old one was back. It's a bunch of javascript moving things around instead of a plain old web page (how is twitter's content complex enough that it can't just be static html?), and due probably to some combination of privacy settings i have usually says "There has been an error try again" when i follow a link to a tweet, requiring me to hard-refresh the page (at which point it works).

So if that's a good example...

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Post by shkkmo »

GhettoMaestro wrote: post #284
echelon wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to live in your locked-down Disney with the death sentence world. That's fine for you to want it, but don't impose it on me. I want freedom and liberty to do what I want with the devices I own. I want to develop without fear that these two megacorps can shut me down on a whim for developing something against their ideology. The web isn't like that. Windows wasn't like that. Today we live in a Fischer-Pri…

Your ideal state of Internet / Tech companies is definitely in the minority contrasted to overall expectations the broader population has put on these devices and services. Yeah, we get it, you're smart. I'm smart. Most people here are smart. But protections still matter. What you're saying is I don't want to wear a seatbelt when driving my car. Sure that is your choice - but I think it is a very foolish one.

> I don't want to wear a seatbelt when driving my car. Sure that is your choice - but I think it is a very foolish one.

Not at all. What he is saying is "I don't want my car to refuse to start if I am not wearing a seatbelt."

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Post by magashna »

GhettoMaestro wrote: post #284
echelon wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to live in your locked-down Disney with the death sentence world. That's fine for you to want it, but don't impose it on me. I want freedom and liberty to do what I want with the devices I own. I want to develop without fear that these two megacorps can shut me down on a whim for developing something against their ideology. The web isn't like that. Windows wasn't like that. Today we live in a Fischer-Pri…

Your ideal state of Internet / Tech companies is definitely in the minority contrasted to overall expectations the broader population has put on these devices and services. Yeah, we get it, you're smart. I'm smart. Most people here are smart. But protections still matter. What you're saying is I don't want to wear a seatbelt when driving my car. Sure that is your choice - but I think it is a very foolish one.

The seatbelt seems like a bad analogy when there are motorcycles on the road.
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