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Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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Only 12 hours between an email and the account termination, with no real interaction and no way to change what seems not to be a serious problem.

That would change the time gap during responsible disclosure, Alphabet/Google is changing its metrics. I mean why only small developers would have to be mistreated.

If they play it that way, Android developers community can also report platform bugs to them - and go full disclosure (report the bug publicly) within 12 hours.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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We should all make a concerted effort to get people to stop using Google Play. There are multiple websites which offer apps, including ones where search can be automated. The default "app management app" should be something which is based on multiple source, independent of each others and not Google controlled.

I realize that might be very hard; and if you're logged into a Google account on your phone (which you really shouldn't be!) it's very tempting to use Google Play, so what I suggested requires either self-discipline or rooting devices to make them not default to Google Play. On the other hand, maybe the US sanctions against Huawei might actually make that a viable option? Time will tell.

Personally, I use APKPure instead of Google Play; they have an app of their own. Not the best solution - and certainly doesn't solve the article author's problem - but at least I don't have worry about Google's heavy-handed tactics so much.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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What we have is a giant GAN - google's AI trying to spot the real bad actors from not, against the bad actors AI trying to fool the google AI.

I suspect your experience is a sign that the bad actors are getting the upper hand and one of the problems in this space is human intervention can't really scale against machines.

It could be a fight for survival for these companies whose huge market cap is based on the enormous scaling benefits of automation - however if it turns out that the automation processes can't successfully scale once automated fraud is taken into account then the only solution might be to descale the operation - making them vulnerable to traditional companies.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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We were banned from the Play Store for violation of their Impersonation policy in mid July after publishing an update. We just got reinstated last week. During the course of the lengthy appeal I had an unshakable feeling I was up against The System™. I still believe I was communicating with a bot and not an actual human being — I refuse to accept a rational human being will behave the way Bob from Google did. It's su…

When my app update was rejected, I had the exact same feeling. This can't be a human being, I am talking to a bot. At some point I just gave up, which is still hurting a bit. What did you do to talk to an actual human?

I'm not sure what did it at the end — I literally called the guy a cyborg and asked for someone else to review the appeal. I also filled in all sorts of appeals/forms, even for unrelated things and some even multiple times. I still don't know what did it for us.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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Seems to me that Google is turning on a lot of deep learning models in production which aren't production ready. Search has gone to shit recently. Image search is hot garbage for anything but images with well known people / places / things. You can't reliably filter or sort news results by date. YouTube is filtering pro LGBT content but allowing weird Eastern European pedo videos. The play store is apparently moderat…

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Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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Earlier after certain amount of backlash Google employee reading HN used to help. Now I think this is also banned/discouraged by Google. Google New policy: Let's just ignore these type of posts and let it disappear from front page in few hours. What option developers or user's have ? Shun Android or Google services. I think for vast majority of developers and Users this not an option.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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The Goog employees, several who comment here at HN, could stop it tomorrow. Not plebes like you and me.

If you think you can solve it, come apply for a job at Google. This kind of thing is a seriously hard thing to police in a fair and reasonable way. Real spammers have become very sophisticated, and separating them from good users is very very difficult. Many bots steal real human accounts for their nefarious behaviour. Human review of accounts doesn't help much either - you simply can't allow a human to delve through…

>If you think you can solve it, come apply for a job at Google.

Parent poster isn't advocating the "fix it from the inside" route, he's advocating you leave.

>This kind of thing is a seriously hard thing to police in a fair and reasonable way.

It's so "seriously hard" that you had to use a different example that's more favorable to google's position (identifying a bot user without data access) in a thread about a different topic (your distaste for manual, thoughtful app reviews)?

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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There are multiple problems here: 1. As you stated, Google forces devs to rely on presence of the Google Play Services 2. Devs don't care: I don't see why e.g. Discord should not run properly on MicroG (I get push messages after logging in, but the app itself shows all friends as offline, no servers and a "can not connect to discord" message; from what I found online, it doesn't seem to be intermittent). 3. I wouldn'…

> 1. As you stated, Google forces devs to rely on presence of the Google Play Services Not forcing per se. Google just provides a convenient services that devs are happy to use.

That's not true anymore, for notifications it's now mandatory.

Re: Google just deleted my nearly 10-year-old free and open-source Android app

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The easiest way to identify a monopoly is to look at how badly a company can treat its customers and still get away with it. My company has a half dozen stories like this about Google in the last year alone. Know what Google is doing to its AdSense partners on a massive scale? They wait until your site has just under the earnings when they have to write you a check, then they terminate your AdSense account for “polic…

I never been to silicon valley, so my knowledge about it is extremely limited. But last couple of years, I am hearing so many stories from big tech companies - from google to facebook to snapchat to uber - that I wonder if there is a big culture issue in valley based companies.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Lord Acton

source: https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/absolute-power-corrupts-...

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