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MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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I recently upgraded and I like using the new keyboard.

The fragility of the thing cannot be defended, but the typing experience is quite good. It is very tactile: when it clicks it register. There’s no slowly pushing the key and then getting strokes registered before any tactile feedback, unlike mechanical keyboards. It’s low profile so you can rest your palms without excessively bending you wrists, which is better for your hands.

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My biggest gripe is that the up and down arrow keys are half the size of the left and right arrow keys. It makes it difficult to quickly move the cursor or scroll through previous commands in a terminal. If I didn’t use emacs I probably would have picked another machine

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I found the touch bar a hindrance on my 2017 MBP. Then I read a HN comment [1] recommending Better Touch Tool [2] with GoldenChaos config [3]. I've found it quite useful since. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20229123 [2] https://folivora.ai/ [3] https://goldenchaos.net/goldenchaos-btt.html

Do these fix the kernel panic "BAD MAGIC" error that causes the machine to crash and restart? These are kernel panics caused by the BridgeOS, a mini-operating system that drives the TouchBar. My problem isn't with the usability or usefulness of the TouchBar. My problem is that the mere presence of the TouchBar has created a point of failure that crashes the machine... when I'm not even using that feature !

No it does not my mistake, I replied to the wrong parent comment.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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I recently upgraded and I like using the new keyboard. The fragility of the thing cannot be defended, but the typing experience is quite good. It is very tactile: when it clicks it register. There’s no slowly pushing the key and then getting strokes registered before any tactile feedback, unlike mechanical keyboards. It’s low profile so you can rest your palms without excessively bending you wrists, which is better f…

I like the new keyboard, like, a lot. I have a work 2018 and my personal 2016 and prefer the new thin keyboard and hate typing on the fat one... but my work laptop didn't survive my second trip to a dusty environment. The new keyboard is literally a toy for air conditioned daily cleaned offices, I bet Apple even has to replace their own engineers laptops when they travel to warehouses or dusty shops so they may know better than us about this issue.

I have faith they will fix it, but the current thing made the Mac, which was already a finicky flimsy thing, almost impossible to use for extended periods of time on a dusty shop floor.

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I'm currently looking to buy a new laptop to replace my old MacBook Pro, and a lot of people claim that the departure of Jon Ive might make the upcoming 16" MacBook Pro better than the older Macs.

I'm mostly drawn to Thinkpad, though. They receive unending praise for their excellent keyboards. The only downside is that they don't seem to have a model that matches my exact needs (like a 17" screen but to GPU).

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Eh, as someone who's primarily used Windows (and a bit of Linux with xfce) for my entire life I find Macs basically unusable (seriously how do I browse the file system). I think it's more of a question of familiarity than anything else.

I hear you about Finder. Windows File explorer seems a lot easier and more feature rich compared to Finder. The single most annoying thing is that there is no easy/ obvious way to grab the path to a file/folder in Finder, which seems like the most basic of features. I did figure out a keyboard shortcut at some point, but Finder feels so dated as a file manager.

I’ll grant you it’s not obvious, but it’s quite easy once you know (as with most things in GUIs): just drag it. You can drag a file/folder from Finder to Terminal or a text editor and it’ll populate the full path.

You can even drag a folder from a Finder window to a save prompt or web browser upload prompt and it’ll relocate you to that directory in the prompt.

The rich drag and drop functionality is one of my favorite features of macOS.

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For everyone that hasn't seen it, reports are they've already decided to change the keyboard on forthcoming models. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20353148 Edit: added "reports are"

Great, will they be offering free trade-ins? These are $2000 computers that have a major broken component. Not to mention, the second a computer comes on sale that doesn't have this issue, the resale value of the current MacBooks will be disproportionately affected compared to previous revisions. So a nice double whammy: a miserable experience during its use, and an unusually small resale value afterwards.

Mine is less than 6 months old and already at least 3 keys are malfunctioning. The Apple rep reckoned I would be without my machine for at least 3 days - and that is unacceptable as I need it for my work. In the end I bought an external keyboard.

They don't need to offer free trade-in. When the new machine is available I will buy it. Then return this broken one for a full refund. And there are literally half a dozen laws in the UK that entitle me to do so.

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I really wish this was the top comment. I feel like HN is turning a little too much into an echo chamber dunk fest sometimes.

Also, just to throw another opinion into this dumpster fire: I had to get a new laptop, knew I was getting a 2019 MBP, and was terrified the keyboard experience would be horrendous due to the coverage I see on the topic here. And it isn't at all. It feels different than my 2015 model, but... definitely not worse. I may even be just slightly better because it's noticeably quieter. Just one perspective, but yeah. The k…

I liked my 2019 MBP keyboard too. Until one week I noticed it kept repeating e's and n's. And then I learnt its not fixable unless you are prepared to go without a machine for 3 to 14 days. And then I learnt from Rossman Youtube that your machine might never be the same again after Apple's "genius"'s get their hands on.

Honestly, I thought it was all a fuss about nothing. But it isn't. BTW my machine is 6 months old. It started malfunctioning 2 months ago.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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post #78

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Also, just to throw another opinion into this dumpster fire: I had to get a new laptop, knew I was getting a 2019 MBP, and was terrified the keyboard experience would be horrendous due to the coverage I see on the topic here. And it isn't at all. It feels different than my 2015 model, but... definitely not worse. I may even be just slightly better because it's noticeably quieter. Just one perspective, but yeah. The k…

The 2019 model is better than 2018. They fixed several keyboard issues. (duplicate keys, jamming, etc).

2019 model did not fix anything.
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