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Isn't that an issue on all keyboards without doubleshot keycaps?
These problems don't exist on doubleshot keycaps, precisely because of the doubleshot injection. In this case these aren't double shot, they are single shot that is painted/dyed and then has the lettering laser-etched out of the paint/dye.
1. Screen flickers occasionally
2. Turning on bluetooth can make the keys stuck making it impossible to type anything in order to unlock my laptop (turning off bluetooth fixes this)
3. I hate the feel of the touchbar on my fingers.
4. The touchpad is too large and I often accidentally touch it and do something I didn't want to do.
5. The mic and sound have recently gone wonky. When I'm calls, the mic automatically mutes every few minutes and a message appears saying the mic couldn't be found. A loose connection somewhere?
All this for a $2000+ laptop. Luckily it's a work laptop so I didn't pay out of pocket, but still.
I still have a 2014 15 inch MBP that I still love and use. I wish I could use it for work.
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I really wish this was the top comment. I feel like HN is turning a little too much into an echo chamber dunk fest sometimes.
Cut us some slack, we're all spending _all_ our time on shit keyboards.
I had a late 2016 model with a defective keyboard out of the box. Finally had it repaired mid-2018 (which took over a month), and the new one died within days.
It'll be many years before I consider even accepting another free MacBook from work, much less buy one. I don't know if Apple realizes just how badly they messed up. I used to have an iPad, iPhone, home MacBook, and work MacBook, and even stupidly bought their overpriced Thunderbolt display out of some deranged brand loyalty. Now the only Apple product I still use is my iPad (because it hasn't completely died yet), and when this goes, that'll be it.
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I really wish this was the top comment. I feel like HN is turning a little too much into an echo chamber dunk fest sometimes.
Also, just to throw another opinion into this dumpster fire: I had to get a new laptop, knew I was getting a 2019 MBP, and was terrified the keyboard experience would be horrendous due to the coverage I see on the topic here. And it isn't at all. It feels different than my 2015 model, but... definitely not worse. I may even be just slightly better because it's noticeably quieter. Just one perspective, but yeah. The k…
I think the keyboard rage comes from the fact that they changed a perfectly fine keyboard with a bogus one, just to have a slightly slimmer laptop (along with many other gimmicks such as the touchbar, or the oversized trackpad).
> If Apple releases their new Macs with an identical keyboard, then I'm ditching Macs and will pick up a Microsoft Surface Book or something similar. Whatever it is, I'll make sure to pick a laptop that has a god damned functional keyboard. Same here, MBP keyboards are unbearable. Trying to develop on OSX has become a hassle. Gotta jump through hoops to get gdb to work. Windows with WSL on a Surface Book feels extrem…
The Surface Book 2's (the model I own) keyboard is probably one of the best laptop keyboard on the market today. Proper key travel and spacing and it's even backlit. I particularly like that they volume controls are on F1-F3 since they plus the Fn key can be operated single-handedly. I just wish it ran Linux better - I find Windows unusable.
I had a Surface Pro 4 before this and the keyboard on that was also amazing despite a much smaller size, and the keys didn't degrade at all.
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I really wish this was the top comment. I feel like HN is turning a little too much into an echo chamber dunk fest sometimes.
Also, just to throw another opinion into this dumpster fire: I had to get a new laptop, knew I was getting a 2019 MBP, and was terrified the keyboard experience would be horrendous due to the coverage I see on the topic here. And it isn't at all. It feels different than my 2015 model, but... definitely not worse. I may even be just slightly better because it's noticeably quieter. Just one perspective, but yeah. The k…
There are much worse keyboards.
For everyone that hasn't seen it, reports are they've already decided to change the keyboard on forthcoming models. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20353148 Edit: added "reports are"
Outside of reliability issues I much prefer the new keyboard. Typing on the older one feels like typing on mush now.
However, my ideal keyboard is the current external Magic Keyboard that Apple sells separately. It’s a little expensive, but I love the feel of those keys, and they have just enough play in them that they feel more natural.